i think this says a lot about the public. this video has less than 3000 views as of 9am PST, and the Leave Britney Alone video has almost 70,000 views.
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You know I kind of agree with Ace...
Yeah, shit sucked our economy blew (still does) but now we got over it, it's time for our country to move on completely. It's shit like this that makes people forget the fact that the victims got millions of dollars from who? The fucking insurance companies YOU pay to. Tragedies happen all the time, people move on. For example, remember in Spain; about 500 people were killed in a train attack by terrorists? How about the attacks in the UK? That shit got drowned out by this, I don't hear Spain or the UK being sensitive bitches about it. What I really hate is the fact that people are making money off of this tragedy. Those two movies they made about this stuff!! Holy shit!! what a pile! It absolutely outraged me that people would even go to see that. Did any money even go to funding reconstruction or anything? Whatever, I'm over it. I think you should be too.
2000 ppl die cuz of foreigners... it's a tragedy yes. Our own fucking president sends over 3000 to their deaths for NOTHING and half the idiots here are happy and "patriotic" about it.
BULLSHIT!
and if you believe the wmd crap and that no one knew just prove the herd "mentality" of most americans, sometimes i'm ashamed of being born here.
I've been to iraq, and other places i've killed... guess what it our freedom was NEVER compromised we aren't dying there for freedom we just fight cuz we have to and we want our buddies to come home with us.
So according to Gargamelord he would rather have 2000 innocent unarmed civilians die instead of sending over 3000 Armed and trained soldiers in harms way. I would rather have a Volunteer soldier, trained to defend OUR way of life no matter what, die then an innocent citizen. Soldiers don’t die in vein, ever! A civilian will always die in vein. Every nation and every country has its army for that mere reason. (Even Canucks1963’s peace loving Canadians)
We lost over 2000 civilians on 911. Islamic-Extremist lost well over 2000 and over 50% of their leadership. Plus 2 countries and way over 48 million dollars worth of funds seized.. Terrorism will never end but they have to get off the boat (middle east) first to hit us again and having troops in the middle east makes it pretty hard to operate.
Hmm ok bring our soldiers back to the US where every soldier and every citizen is the most vulnerable. Short of patrol or special assignment … show me an armed Soldier on US soil.
Whether you anti-war liberal fcks like it or not ...while our soldiers are over the pond they are taking the fight to those who want Gargamelord and his online guild buddies to die just because "God" demands it. Now an armed extremist have to get thru a 50 .cal in Iraq/Afghanistan before he can get a stab at a yellow school bus on its way to a middle school in DC.
I say keep the soldiers there and keep the terrorist bombing shit there instead of here BUT if the Military says it’s time to come home then it’s time to go home. Politicians and Wal-mart politicians do not have a say in it. That means you too, Gargamelord. Let politicians start the wars and let the Armed Forced end the war. Not the other way around.
psalm:
I understand that having troops there is in some ways better than not having them. However, do you seriously believe that we have "seized" two countries? Certainly we have presence in them, but seizing is a far cry from what has been done.
You say that terrorism will never end. You also seem to believe that the way to prevent terrorism is to post soldiers in a country. Putting those two together, do you feel that the U.S. should continue occupying Iraq forever?
You say, "Let politicians start the wars and let the Armed Forced end the war. Not the other way around." I don't know about you, but from what I've seen, this war cannot be won militarily. It is also very difficult to end politically. I suppose, though, that that fits in well with your idea of keeping soldiers in Iraq indefinitely, doesn't it?
palm2156 - I suppose there is no way that terrorists could strike at USA from inside the country, is there? They have to"get of the boat" to attack you. Despite arrests of so-called homegrown terrorists in England, Canada, Spain, and Germany? But the USA is immune, right?
Having your troops fuck over the entire country of Iraq is doing nothing to stabilize he world or prevent terrorism, but is rather giving the motivation to a the fringe elements of all of Islam (that is a fringe of a billion or so people in total, so even if just 5% agree that USA is the devil, it is scary number) to despise and hate the USA that much more. It is ridiculous that this country bumpkin includes pictures of Saddam and Iranian leaders in his video, as neither country had sweet fuck all to do with 911.
I feel awful for families of soldiers dying in Iraq, but just because they are armed members of a formal military does not mean they died for some good purpose, and not in vain. The sooner they can come home, the better for them, their families, and the word at large. Maybe Iraq will go down the pisser - would not have happened if US had not invaded in the first place, but nothing is going to solve that problem now.
PSALM- Well as a taxpaying citizen of the USA, I was unaware of what a useless, vain life I am living. ONLY war brings purpose, and a meaningful life? As a US citizen I will fight them here. To quote GWB "Bring em on!". I as a valueless citizen of the USA, have the courage to fight them here, do you?
Once the killing starts my useless and vain life will finally have meaning!
And are you really implying that the citizens of the US should have no say in the administration of war? I guess our Republic really is dead, so bring on the Fascist warlord government for all of the USA.
If all of what you say is true, then let's have a Draft, and get this global war going!
Podman i said when a civilian dies his death is in vein. Nothing is worth killing a civilian or the loss of a civilian. Even a civilian that cant read and comprehend paragraphs.
I we all have the courage to fight but your saying that you will only fight on Home soil. Or you will only fight when the bodies of your neighbors or your family starts dying while trying to shop at macy's is tragic. you sir are a reactive person and 911 is what happens when you dont care and WAIT for the towers to fall before you say "OMG hey guys hey guys! We got terrorist that hate us! Now lets do something" Well good luck to that and that is why your a civilian and not a soldier. We got a military so that you dont have pick up the rifle and fight. It is a fact that AQ is concentrating more resources and more power in the middle east and europe then they are in the US. They are expending more resources fighting armed soldiers then civilians.
Im not saying anything about People voice in the Administration im talking about Military operations should not be in the hands of those who know only how to budget funding and how to raise campaign money. We got Generals for a reason and they are not there to look pretty. Show me a politician that is more qulified to run a war then GEN Petraeus. (Not counting Colin Powel)
Stay in Iraq forever .. no until they can stand on their own. Where ever take the war to the enemy where ever that may be. Your not asking to leave Iraq your asking to Pull all troops back into the US and sit tight and wait and wait and wait. Well then thats not a "War on Terror" and you will find terrorist will have a more sucessful chance to inflitrate and pull large operations unhindered.
gargamelord, you're an idiot! I been to Iraq also, do you really think we are there for nothing? you must one of those tree hugging, peace loving freaks that think the world is full of only nice people. those guys want america wiped off the face of the planet. you want to wait until they come here? great idea. You run for president and see if you do it better!!!
psalm2516 - So everything you say is a lie to make a point. Who you with? I'm betting AQ at this point. GWB warned us they would have operatives in cyberspace.
A small example (along with this video) of many Americans mentality. You know those big foam hands with a #1 on it... ? Yeah america is the capital of the world and a bag of potato chips.
Your pentagon was struck on the same day, wasn't it?
I don't have to like some sappy bullshit country song or jump on the bandwagon to support the "patriotic" Iraq war effort just because you say so. Go bleed at the Red Cross - your soldiers in Iraq could use the donation.
This is no place to talk about the Iraq war. Yes, it was unjustified. It had NOTHING to do with September 11. I wasn't inferring anything in my previous statement.
you hate country ... deal with it. The world dont hate you because you hate country. The world hates you becuase you hate the world becuase you hate country.
Chaz - I think I saw this on Dateline. I tell you I am a 13 year old boy, and then you invite me to "special meeting". You sick perverted puppy. Get off to therapy. And remember, Jesus loves you, even if you are a twisted fuck that tries to pick up children on the internet.
I am virgin comment responder. I think this a good time to get laid. Lol. You all have good points, strong beliefs and solid morals. I am Canadian, and I can tell you that we appreciate our soldiers that kiss their daughters and sons good-bye and come home in caskets from Afghanistan. All of us in the free world, have a responsibility to spread our good fortune to our neighboring citizens on this world. If they are down we are down, and thank god for courageous women and men that stand up for freedom so we all may enjoy the exhilaration of being free, in love, free of tyranny and mass extermination. People, we are all together. Lets stand up for those who make it possible. Like Churchill said, "Never, ever give up." Peace
I am Canadian too, and I am proud of our soldiers in Afghanistan, and really hope they are helping to stabilize that country to prevent further people from turning to terrorism or being trained in the country. But this song sucks, and if this guy made a dime off of it, he is scum for profiting on the memories of the dead victims. Why does he have to throw in Jesus into the song? It makes it seem like the Christians all care and remember, and anyone else is part of the problem or something.
Given the timing this is really only to be expected and personally I hate this kind of stuff as it smacks of making a buck out of tragedy.
That said - 9/11 IS worth remembering so that the US and her allies can fortify themselves with the will to continue in Afghanistan.
The mention of Iraq is shabby and incredibly tacky - where did the hijackers come from (majority from Saudi) and where were OBL and AQ based at the time?
Tiny thought at that, but about as wide as your little mind will allow I suppose. But the song is sappy, you're right on that point. Way too much crying in America...it'll get worse, too I'm afraid.
Oklahoma bombing could have easily been in name of Allha if he had a towel on his head. To blow shit up on US soil is NOT hard. it's been 6 years now and people still believe the crap that is being fed about terrorists in our back yard. If they wanted to, they could do it. IT REALLY IS EASY. I'VE SEEN HOW IT'S DONE!
I was there, got my foot shot to shit. haven't been able to walk right in over a year now and my foot still looks like a ham.
The iraqis aren't fighting AGAINST freedom you fool! they are fighting for their OWN freedom. Why cant' you ppl get it?
And why do you think american lives are worth more than theirs, you say 911 killed civilians, how many civilians do you think are dying over there?!
(wipes tear) I've picked up 6 orphans while i was there, little kids who don't even know what's really going on. Do you think they will learn mom
The Iraqi's arnt fighting the US for freedom. And the US does not occupy 2 countries. See you are so CNNified that you think the war in Iraq is US Vs IRAQ. Says alot about how keen you really are.
And you know what wether we are there or not do you think terroist exist civilians are going to be targets not just because the US is there. Civilian death is unfortunatly only a tragic issue to everyone but the terrorist. Maybe when AQ was bombing a bus, a market, hospital they make a miscalulation and didnt notice all the women and kids. Because we all know everyone in Iraq looks like a US soldier. Civilains are in fact the main primary target to a terroist.
Everything is easy. But why make it easier?
Plus i wouldnt gauge how easy it is to conduct extrodinary terror operations in the US because of OK boming. Tim V was a US citizen. A docorated war hero. A white male in OK with no criminal record ...
PSALM - WTF does this mean? "And you know what wether we are there or not do you think terroist exist civilians are going to be targets not just because the US is there."
I'm thinking English is not your primary language, maybe you are AQ. Hmmmm.
I'm really not sure what to say....but I'll pass this tidbit on to you...I worked for CAIG (Canadian Aviation Insurance Group) a branch of USAIG (United States Aviation Insurance Group) as an Underwriter's Assistant for 10 years, one of those years was when this happened. I dealt with and got to know many brokers quite well during those years. Their offices took up 2 floors above the area where the plane hit, with an office daycare...I kinda appreciate this video for reminding me of them....and remembering them.
When my eyes fluttered open, I noticed the sun was filtering into our bedroom, between the blinds, creating those---what do you call them?---sunbeams? First impression made it look like it was going to be a gorgeous day.
The screaming was coming from my wife, who burst into the room.
"Oh god!", she says. "You're never gonna believe this!!"
I'm shaking my head, rubbing my eyes.
"What??? Like, wtf is going on??"
"New York City was attacked", she says. "Someone's started a war the Americans."
No. Sorry. Mind could not....WOULD not....absorb this. Mind REFUSES to absorb this.
"Ya", I say, as I'm turning over to go back to sleep, and enjoy my day off. "Try again. Next time, say something a little more realistic that you think will worry or upset me, like your mother paying us an extended visit."
She clicks on the TV in our bedroom.
Sounds of hysteria now fill my ears. Horror. Pandemonium. Shrieks of terror.
This time, my eyes snap open. I sit up in bed. And I watch.
Planes. Damaged buildings. Bodies hurtling downwards, to their deaths. Smoke. People wandering the streets, covered in so much dust and ash that they look like ghosts. Debris. I'm seeing this.....but not seeing this. It suddenly sounds so very far away, and all I hear is the blood pounding in my ears. The Pentagon. Something else happening in a place called Shanksville...Pennsylvania? But New York City? That's only a 10-hour drive from here. As I watched, paralyzed, an uneasy feeling about my kid crept into my conciousness. Where were they? Stupid. They're downstairs. Eating breakfast.
My cordless phone rings. I almost screamed myself.
I answer it.
"What?" (instead of hello, and it came out more like a croak). It was a best friend of mine, from work, who had just come on duty.
"You seeing it?", he asks.
I swing out of bed, and go to the window with the phone pressed to my ear and peer between the blinds; a few neighbours are out....talking excitedly, almost in a worried or fearful manner; some where listening to car radios, gathered around the ones that had stopped in the middle of the cul-de-sac.
It was like the world had suddenly come grinding to a screeching halt. What I once took for granted and thought of as "right"...was now wrong; down was up; left was right; and all of the tiniest things I believed that held the world together, and maintained a cosmic balance between chaos and anarchy.....were suddenly shattered. Into millions and millions of pieces.
"Yeah", I said. "I'm seeing it."
Then the buildings came down. Down. Down. Down. And.........down.
I stayed in bed the rest of day. And didn't move a muscle.
At all.
September 11th, 2007 (now):
I would like to extend my condolences and well-wishes to our American cousins; true, sometimes we don't see eye-to-eye on things; and yes, we sometimes DO tend to get wrapped up in petty squabbling. But, if truth be told, when it comes to THIS day, perhaps Tony Blair summed it up perfectly on that day, six years ago:
"Today.....we are ALL.....Americans."
And every day of that anniversary, ever since, I would add.
In the end, that's not a bad place to be, I think.
. I will make this short for I got a hardwood floor installation job:)
People I live here in Jersey city, closer to the down town area then most of midtown manhattan itself. When the first tower collapsed we dropped to our knees the ground rumbled so hard I thought it would cave in below my feet!
to illustrate how close we really were the men and women we saw jumping from the towers should pretty much clarify are position. if not then get a map!
They arrested the blind Cleric up the road from me ,1991 W.T.C bombing. the truck rented was from a U-haul that I do business with on a regular Bases.
there is a Mosgue two blocks from my condo I see turbans all day long.
One of my brothers lives near me, and we together w/ a lot of friends talk about our memorise of those days.
point: we don't live in fear of being attacked! we don't feel any safer with the bush war machine churning out its Death for profit war!
Taking Saddam Hussein out was a STUPID thing to do!
By doing this bush fucked up! if you can imagine an already fucked up place! Now more so with the instability bush created in his warring.
It is STUPID to believe that we can stop terrorism by invading countries on bullshit facts and on even more bullshit evidence!!!
In ending the only thing I care about and wish for is the safe return of my brothers and sisters who were sent off being misled by these politicians, that do what this administration does and not to well either, LIE and LIE more!
I'll never forget the WAY I saw this event unfold. I was three stories up on a ladder installing a real big double hung, the homeowners TV was on in the room and then....BREAKING NEWS....watched the whole thing standing on a ladder (with one nervous eye to the sky).
I was coding, as usual. Nothing on, no TV, no Internet connection, and total silence in my basement. I suddenly stopped, went up to the TV turned it on just 10 minutes after the first plane hit.
Psychic link? Who knows, but I did not write another line of code for a week. Strangely, I was not surprised at the location, or that we were attacked, just the method used. I left my flag up until every body was recovered from the ruins.
Need I say it again:
Extremism is sick! Extremism is always wrong! Extremism is ignorance put to practice. Extremism equals death!
It is instructive, IMHO, to retain a bit of our anger at what was done on 9/11. I do not keep sorrow or continue to mourn as those are repressive emotions and postpone action. However, a little white-hot anger can still be the spark (read: flamethrower) needed to finish jobs started on 9-12-2001.
It is further instructive ro remember what transpired over the course of the months that followed 9-11-2001. Al-Qaeda was identified as the group responsible with many of the action taken by people on a watch list. Even though they hailed from Saudi Arabia, SA's internal gov'tal turmoil indicated that it was not state sponsored. Further, because of the terrorists underground networking, this was going to be less a war fought against nations (although that was a clear possibility) and more one fought unconventionally...like breaking up a world-wide street gang.
This gang held locals, in their respective countries, by the throat. "Join us or die" was not a cattle call but a promise...where death was not an implied threat from the infidels at some future date, but a drawn sword from the callers themselves.
This gang also does not regularly communicate with its operatives. Orders are often very general and any large scale action is taken on short notice.
This gang also operates in secret of some of the countries they live in...but, others provide a place for them to train, etc. (Which is why we don't "bomb Pakistan and Saudi Arabia" as some have suggested.)
This gang is politically savvy...depending upon their locations, they work in conjunction with local governments (oppressive governments) to help take credit for infrastructure ("See, their not all bad"...as a Dem. Representative once uttered.), and they glorify mrtydom and killing infidels as the highest, most moral act.
(That is not exhaustive, but it is solid outlining, of the picture painted over the ensuing months after 9/11 of how we were going to combat this virus.)
So, in light of all these truths...what do we do? If we kill UBL or render him impotent, does the virus die? (Of course not) Thus, simply going after him, as if he is the only player in the "Kill Infidels" movement, is not enough. The network has to undone. (Killing Hilter was not the sole goal of our European battle--stopping the forward march of Nazism, that was the goal. I think we'd agree that it was humanitarian at its heart.)
So, who is part of the network: (A) those that hate the West as infidels AND (B) those that would aid those in (A).
We are in Iraq right now because Saddam Hussein was developing WMDs and those WMDs might wind up in the hands of the underground types. (Removing SH from power is a continuation of Clintons recommendations in '98...FOR THE VERY SAME REASONS. RF: "Taking Saddam Hussein out was a STUPID thing to do."? You sure? The war in Iraq has not clearly not been handled to where the desired results have been attained in the timeliest of fashions...but, man, what an irresponsible thing to say.)
So...do we all have our own armchair opinions about what should be done next?...what should have been done in the first place? Yes on both accounts.
What should we do now that we are there?
I submit that ousting Hussein et al to possibly make way for a democratic or quasi-democratic Iraq is humanitarian in its nature. I further suggest that anger focused on GWB is now wasted. The next Admin will be doing very similar things as they have all said, with respect to Iraq. We will likely have a military base(s) there for some time to come and the undergrounders will also be recruiting and killing.
So, what do we do?
Is it in the world's best interest to have 2 or more democracies in the Middle East or not? Is that worth killing and dying for? Are those future democracies better equipped to dismantle Islamofascism? If so, is that worth killing and dying for? Do democracies allow thier constituents a measure of self-determination? If so, is that not worth killing and dying for?
In my opinion, yes.
Whether the war is has been mishandled is an academic argument. If we are fighting for something worthy of life and death, then we should do it with the moral support of those not wearing combat gear in 120 degree heat.
For the first time Stream I actually agree with a lot of what you just said there! Well put in the face
I just hope that it IS possible to set up a middle eastern democracy in Iraq - it appears a very distant hope right now wouldn't you agree?
I would suggest 2 things:
1. That Pakistan rightfully needs incredibly close scrutiny as a likely current base for many AQ jihadists
2. That SA as both an oppressive regime AND the base from which OBL and AQ obviously recruit (among others), needs a FAR greater degree of overt diplomacy and pressure put to bear on it, in order that they come out with a visible, vocal and global call to action AGAINST jihadist actions.
I very much doubt the latter will happen - if it has then it's not been enough
Finally I would say that the mishandling of the war is more than an academic argument. Lives lost never constitute an academic argument.
Stream - "Is it in the world's best interest to have 2 or more democracies in the Middle East or not? Is that worth killing and dying for? Are those future democracies better equipped to dismantle Islamofascism?"
I know your synopsis is incomplete, but for a democracy, or a republic to rise, it needs to come from within, not forced from a outside power.
You should not be so harsh on RF for his comment about Saddam not being removed. He was supplying the motivation for the Iraqi citizens to take action to a better system (Kurds and others), now that Saddam is gone only factionalism remains. To this point the battle now becomes who do Iraqis hate more the US for occupying their country, killing them and their clan members, OR the "Gang". The new battle is not military, but political and sociological.
People will say anything at the point of a gun, and then by the nature of vengeance will do the opposite. The founding of a democracy must come from within, and there has to be enough mental mindsets in enough of the citizens to make it happen.
It's a very tough call on the Saddam issue but (and I stress this is only my opinion) I feel that had the allies actually stated regime change as the core reason for going to war (forget spurious claims of WMDs as most refuted these prior to action) and been clear and direct about that intention, then perhaps the focus would have been clearer, and a plan put in place primarily by the Iraqis themselves without having to occupy and destroy the entire country and both social and political infrastructure.
Morally I feel it would have placed the allies in a much better position (given also that Saddam HAD used chemicals against the Kurds) to exact change with continued support.
The issue of whether democracy will ever be installed in a country as feudal as Iraq is also incredibly difficult. Whilst it is a lofty and good aim to have, it's unrealistic.
Trying to instal a democracy by force simply doesn't work. Never has. Guess that's why it's taken the loss of so much life to get us to a position where a non-democratic alternative may be the only way out.
Thanks Pods and Mako
It is difficult to say that democracy or a republic are truly distant hopes...for me anyway. The press only pushes the negative. I know you all need no reminding, but they are pushing an American image that much of the world wants to hear: (A) See, those imperialists! and (B) See those imperialists are losing a no-win war. I do wonder what would happen if the spin were routinely positive...or, even periodically so. The people who gulp down the news at face value might be more supportive which would, in turn, provide impetus to win. (This is largely what went on in WWII)
Mako-point 1 and 2 are well stated. You point out well that it is not black and white in either country. Both have politically warring factions internally but are headed by men who, by and large, support the US. (Lately the SA's have increased their support for US due to their desire to keep Iran at bay...mark my words here: This will be a turning point. Iran's arrogance at what they see to be western impotence will change it all...within the year.)
I meant, as academic, that the changing of the ground occurs so rapidly that decisions of 1-2-3 years ago are academic, if we are going to fight over whether they were good or bad. The only option, as I see it, if we are in a fight is to win. To do that we need the public's support. To do that we need truth in the press. Everyone plays a roll.
If it is worth killing and dying for...then we need to push to win.
Pods- Democratic growth is never entirely from within. All of them have help. If we are banking on the people, under SH, desiring some sort of self determination, then they definitely needed help. Were it truly being forced upon them, those hundreds of thousands who risked their lives to vote, wouldn't have.
After that point, you are correct. It is a hearts and minds battle...right now. What is most frustrating, as I see it, is that many want it over/done and wrapped in a bow right now. The 3 generation rule applies now. (Generation 1: a few willing adults to accept the new direction. They are always the carriers of the ideology. Generation 2: The managers of the ideology. Always pragmatic but teetering on the edge of the old ways versus mining the unsure new ones. Russia is currently in Gen2. Generation 3: Should it get this far, this is the first generation to reap the real, deep benefits of what Gen1 fought for.)
The people of Iraq are not of one mind and it will take time for any of them to value their freedom. Oppression often gives a measure of comfort since you cannot venture outside your cage...thekind of freedom they need is scary, especiall since the people opposing their freedom will simply kill them for thinking about it.
Finally, regime change was part of the reasonS for going into Iraq. Clinton formally recommended it with the loud support of those on the right. The reasonS for going in have long since been lost as the WMD argument drowned out everythingelse. (The WMD argument was not discredited before going in. The UN certainly thought otherwise for 10 years. There are those on my side who don't believe it is discredited yet. It was solid rational and the inferential evidence afterwards suggest he was making efforts at nuclear and chemical weaponry.)
when the towers went down i was walking in vermont. a man in a house ran outside shouting that thered been a big air crash in new york. i just said so what and he said it was terrorists did it. i said im not surprised and it was orobly the same guys as did oklahoma. then i walked on laughing. by the way, im not Rabz.
Are you the same ax-wound from the other video? So which is it...Rabz or Fearofflying? C'mon...you're a bit lonely and these guys keep you company, right?
Now, turn down your Super Strong Luv-U-Long Double Prong Dildo for a minute and get us all a beer.
Not for nothing but I bet half the a$$----- that have bad mouthed this video aren't even from NY and have no idea what it was like to live through. So yeah, you may say get over it but you know what, until you have to deal with something as tremendous as the WTC attacks in your own hometown you should shut the hell up.
what? I think your trying to play off the fact that my login name is psalm2516 ... but i could care less if you belive in God or not. you see anything that resembles anything that has to with God and you go all dramatic and shit. No one cares if your Kabala get over what grudge you have with faith. I would cite the bible at this point but that would make your cloths catch on fire.
I'd like to thank our friends up north for ALL their help with the war and fight against terrrorism. The token few in Afghanistan have helped a lot. Those few get proportioanlly more press than the thousands of others from around the world, yet most of them are cooks and nurses. More have died from food poisoning and the wrong dosage of medicine (friendly fire from their fellow cooks and nurses) than from action in the field. Participate for real or STFU and get out.
Think you have tried this tired attempt to goad Canadians before. Interesting how your U.S. ambassador to Canada today of all days lauded Canada's efforts in Afghanistan, saying we had done "yeoman's work". But I guess that you would know more than him, as you have lots of time to research this on the internet and put up antagonizing posts allday. Yes, I know, the US has by far the most troops on the ground there. But there is no need to be such a child and disrespect thousands of Canadians who have served in Afghanistan and the 70 Canadian soldiers who have died.
Hey, no problem, you are welcome. Keep sending out your idiot grunts and jarheads to do the dying for us, and we will take more than our proportionate share of the credit. Seems like a good deal, and all we have to do is put up with some blather from malcontents on glumbert like you. Kind of the way that you Yanks all pay enormous amounts for your military that works as an umbrella to keep us safe up here while we enjoy free health care and the highest standard of living in the world. Sweet! And now your military is buying more and more of our oil, driving up that standard of living. More sweet! I just wish we could pull out all of our troops and let you carry the entire load, but that just would not be polite. It is a Canadian thing, that politeness. You would not understand.
I understand your indignation and umbrage at Shit-for-brains' remarks above, but let's keep it in context here:
He/she/it does NOT represent the majority of decent, good-natured Yanks. Trust me on this one. This is why it's always so easy for me never to slag an entire nation or peoples (except in strict jest). Throughout my life, I've found that Americans tend to be a generous people, and at their core have a commendable characteristic of wanting to help folks. One could argue that this is not reflected in their political leadership, sure, but if you really think about it, the average American Joe is really no different than the average canuck Joe: pay mortgage; raise kids; steady job; put groceries in the house; go to the cottage on the weekends (if applicable); Sunday sports, etc. The similarities in this regard, far outweigh the differences, I think.
So, try not to be sucked in by the ignorant few, who have no problem stooping to that level. Just a suggestion.
Besides, I just a hilarious movie with Martin Short, called "Jiminy Glick In La-La-Land"; he plays an overweight Hollywood reporter who travels to Canada (ironic, because he IS Canadian) to cover the Toronto International Film Festival; as he and his family drive into Toronto, he says to his wife "I just can't figure out these 'Canadians'. They look like Russians pretending to be Americans." LOLOL I laughed my ass off so bad, I had to replay it a dozen times! LOL
I love that!! Triangulating sounds like the underground being sought out by the Germans in the old WW2 movies. I will need to transmit on every half hr of the wolf!
Yes Britney thing got more reviews because NO ONE CARES ABOUT 9-11 its time to suck it up and move on. My opinion is that the whole damn city should be blown up place is full of nothing but assholes
Summary: canuck is trying to suck up to yanks with his comments here while mako continues to suck up to canuck. lordandmaster is neither here nor there - a nonfactor.
I'm devastated, suicidal, what should I do. My oh my. Only cancuk would glorify something that he himself created that no one gives a nob about AND continue to talk about it. What an out of touch dickwad.
Stream is the most respectful and msot insightful person on here, but b/c he continues to point out your flawed logic, shaky sources and always puts you in your place, you have become hostile toward him. Very shallow and very insecure.
Yet again mako, there's absolutely no relevance to what you're 'attempting' to say. You're anti-stream for the same reason - he boxes you into a corner evertime you engage him. Your rhetort is usaully along the lines of, "huh, you're an idiot chumpstream". I'm surprised that stream still engages your little mind. Must be mroe optimistic about your fate and potential than I. Must be hoping that the blind squirrel finds a nut every once and a while kind of thing. Find that peanut soon mako, please.
Blah, blah, blah Thrush #3 - Streamy and I disagree on sevral things and we DO take the piss out of each on numerous occassions.
However the vitriol is normally two way, as are the arguments.
You offer...what exactly?
Now I'd suggest you just stay happy in your own pool of filth and keep posting your inance, useless comments herein so others on the planet can truly see how badly you portray the English race.
That said Barnsely is a bit of a shit-hole isn't it? If you're honest.
BTW do you have national front / BNP council there yet? With brains like yours evidentially coming up with the views you do, I wouldn't be suprised.
Just be nice to you grandmother and lube her up next time.
Poor canuck. Well, there's one thign I'll give you, you're consistent - jumping to conclusions with no facts. Work actually takes me to many places around the world, including unfortunately, your cess pool neck of the woods.
I think you must have got your ass kicked somewhere in North America in some way, shape or form....hence, your livid hatred hatred for anything on this continent.
BTW, please keep to you word and give me the pleasure of your radio silence. Your comments are a waste of space and your word count here is embarassing for a supposed father of children. Be more involved at home and less invovled here.
barneyboy - you might want to check out the thread on the biggest model of the universe, and then come back and tell us how wonderfully streamlined defended his position.
Thank you, Barnsley, for the compliments.
Little Boy- You may want to stick with funny comments. That is more your speed. Should you wish to review Logic 101, I am always here to help.
Cancuk, are you getting off thinking that I'm thinking about you?? Sicne you two are peas in a pod and jump to conclusions withouth facts (assuming I live in Barnsley being one), how can I not mention the two of you together.
Your personal stalker canuck? What are you talking about now? Are you creating these stories in your mind? Perhaps it time for an evaluation. Do you hear voices too?
So others have told you the same thing too? Guess it just helps prove how stupid you really are. Can;t follow simple instructions, can't learn, can't do...
Bad monkey - shoo!
There're some rotten bananas up there and you can carry on picking yer arse and throwing faeces around
Soft spot based on ancestry was it. I'm intrigued... How far back have your family been interbreeding then?
Wow. You're so devoid of any originality that you're using the same exact material that was just used on you. I know you don't have anyhting of your own, but at least use something older than what was just used on you.
Don't bother answering. I can't actually even be arsed taunting you any more because you never come up with anything funny in response! And then you have the temerity to use the term originality... LOL
Sad. Little. Narthern. Twat.
Toddle-ooo until next time my parochial little prick.
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