Nice dude (not), sandman has a point... they'd come over here and rape every woman in your family if it weren't for these guys at least half ass doing there job. Besides, do you really think those Iraqis are going to listen when we are being nice to them? It hasn't worked in the past.
Another glorious episode in President Bush's war on terror. I read somewhere that the US military attracted persons of higher than average intelligence. Higher than what?
It is the Anerican soldier that has kept your sorry ass face feeling and sleeping comfortable on your cum filled pillow at night. In twenty years of serving you and this great country , I have been to 14 countries and 253 cities. I hope you are not American, I would hate to think I placed my life on the line for a low scum bag like you. Fuck You, and your mother. She wasn't a good fuck any way.
True Canuck. But to be honest, there are a lot of examples floating around of this sort of thing. OK - war is hell etc, but the badass attitude seems to percolate down from the very top in the US. At least, that's the way the rest of the world sees it. I'm agreeing with you by the way. I just don't have the same faith that there aren't a hell of a lot of foot soldiers behaving this way in Iraq and elsewhere.
The AF wouldn't get that upclose to the enemy, they'd be looking through the bomb sites.
These dum-shits give GIs a bad name. I was drafted and I still had enough sense to not waste amo on a car.
considering AF SF is front line with the army and marines...yea we would be that "upclose to the enemy" dumbass. i SIGNED loud and proud, and didn't have to be drafted.
joined the AF what a hero, no grade, low pay safe as shit, bring back the draft, because I was drafted does mean army asshole, all serives darft during war time dickhead
I think his point was that the Chair Force doesn't doesn't see much of the enemy in general. Who the heck cares about SF. Everybody's got SF. Why join AF SF when there's the Marines?
Those are some ballin' badass mofos (BAMFs). I mean, you call your wife home that day and she asked, what'd you do? You say hellz yeah I shot at a car and crushed a car with my tank. Who else can say that? That's ballin' I tell ya.
I've seen film clips of individual soldiers giving aid to Iraqi people on a personal basis. My son spent a year there, and we sent him (actually his step-sister's junior high school class sent him) a large collection of "giveaways" they assembled - toothbrushes, soap, pencils and paper, and lots of other common items hard to come by over there, and he and his company handed them out to the locals. We were hardly the only people to do things like this...he noted it was widespread, but little noted in the American press.
But a thousand such caring actions can be obliterated by one mindless display of obnoxious superiority, such as this video. Give a bunch of "kids" expensive toys like guns and tanks, and a carte blanche to use them, and they will find excuses to do so. While the "kids" should be disciplined, so should the leadership that let them believe they could teach such gratuitous "lessons" to a beleaguered people.
that where america steps in, thie video illustrates this (aid); nevertheless, every action has an equal and opposite reaction (unless acted upon by an unbalanced force)
Yo only see here, Chaz, what some people want tou to see. Not as mindless as it may seem, (remember, they had a mission down that street), or, on the other hand, they may have been arrested and punished. They have courts-martial in Iraq. You'll never see that on Glubert. Nor willyou see a fellow go out there with cash to buy that fellow a new car, if that was the case.
These layabouts see only what they want to see in this. Don't join them. Scatman
I AM GOING TO BE BLUNT, FUCK EVERYONE OF U MOTHER FUCKERS THAT ARE JUDGING THE UNITED STATES MILITARY ON THIS VID. WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE THOSE JACKASSES. I AM PART OF ONE OF THE MOST ELITE ARMY UNITS THERE IS AND WE HAVE NEVER DONE ANY THING LIKE THAT!!! THOUGH WE HAVE DESTROYED ENEMY VEHICLES, AND I EMPHASIZE "ENEMY", ONLY WHEN WE POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED THAT IT WAS THE ENEMY AND WERE USING IT FOR THERE OPERATIONS. THOSE IDIOTS SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR ILLEGAL USE OF MILITARY FORCE AND AUTHORITY. I DO NOT APPROVE OF THIS AT ALL. I KILL THE ENEMY AND DESTROY THEIR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ENEMY, THEY MEAN US HARM AND WILL USE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO DO IT. SOME OF YOU ALREADY KNOW I JUST RETURNED HOME FROM MY FIFTH DEPLOYMENT OVERSEAS, TWICE TO AFGANISTAN AND THREE TIMES TO IRAQ. I JUST REENLISTED TO DO IT FOR FIVE MORE YEARS I LOVE DOING IT EVEN IF IT IS FOR SOME SHITBAGS WHO CARE MORE ABOUT THE TAX DOLLARS IT TAKES TO SUSTAIN THEIR FREEDOM MORE THAN THEIR FREEDOM ITSELF. FOR PEOPLE WHO DONT CARE ABOUT THE SACRFICES WE MAKE FOR THEM. I DO NOT CONDONE THOSE STUPID MUTHERFUCKERS ACTIONS IN THIS VIDEO. IT BURNS ME TO THE CORE THAT SOME OF YOU PEOPLE JUDGE MYSELF AND OTHER GOOD SOLDIERS GOOD MEN ON SUCH DUMB SHIT THAT A FEW FUCKSTICKS DO.
MABY IT ISNT SUCH A GOOD IDEA THAT THE GLUMBERTERS WERE TO MEET BECAUSE I AM A WILD WOLF WITH AN EXTREMELY VICIOUS INTENT.
ARSE, BY READING THE COMMENT YOU POSTED ABOVE YOU WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE I WOULD TURN INTO A PARAPALEGIC!!!!!!
Basically he has a severe case of stuck shift key...
I guess it must be hard to rationalise being send into a war by a government that just wants to make a lot of money for their friends. That terror delusion helps a lot.
At least we don't need a competition for worst manners.
That must be the "bringing the democracy to other people" program: Shoot everybody who has a different opinion, then hold elections.
If it is your caps lock key then you should check if the little light next to the "Caps Lock" on your keyboard is lit, if so press the caps lock key once and the problem should be gone.
I'm with you, too.
TheBug, as you can see, is a yellow contrarian whose bravado only extends to the keyboard. Fortunately, his tinfoil helmet still fits and he can pretend-fight all the evils in the world, that oddly, don't exist.
By the way, Ranger...you all can count on a generous Holiday season this year with all the support here at home. Operation Homefront is a grand success despite what the media have done.
Ranger - If you are a real military man, and not just another character being generated by the Chummin Psychological study, then I thank you for your service as well. We have a group here on Glumbert that is trying to generate responses to use in their "study".
I think if you were with these guys in this video, it would have been a totally different outcome. We all know that MOST of the military does not engage the kind of activity displayed here.
Keep your head down, and stay safe dude. Best wishes for success and a safe return.
Like Christians, real military dudes make these girls real uncomfortable, Ranger. Sort of like a whore in church. Good job. (Thanks for the editorial kudo, Pod.) Scatman.
No worries - s'a bit like having to follow round an old women (Streamy) with a yappy little shitzu (A.R.S.E) who just craps everywhere
For it's small size the little shitzu is so utterly full of faecal matter that one wonders how they can even move. Oh well, gotta keep up the cyber-pooper-scooping!
Fuck, you Americans are really doing some good shit out there. Bless you ranger. Those assholes are the ones that deprive us of our military pride. I call the second punch on whoever wants to be in a wheelchair. I may not be a USMC or U.S. Army grunt like you are (although you said your FIFTH term, you must have some nice-looking chevrons) who's seeing action almost every day out there, I'm still in the Canadian military to do some good.
Peace be with you, and stay safe.
I have read all the posts by "usaranger375" (I'm assuming you mean 3/75 INF) and I am 100% sure he has either never been in the military in any capacity, or that he is some pogue clerk or cook pretending to be a ranger. I've been in 12 years - I can see right through your bullshit.
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE THINKS HE IS IN OVER HIS HEAD.
HEY IF THIS IS WHAT YOU BELIVE THEN YOU SHOULD TRY LIVING WITH THEM. MABY WHEN YOU SEE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MIDDELESTERN PEOPLE THANK US IN PERSON, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT SELFLESS SERVICE IS SOMTHING THOSE PEOPLE APPRECAITE OF THE AMERICAN MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT EVEN IF SOME THE POLITICANS ARE IN IT FOR THEM SELVES. KEEP IN MIND WE DO NOT DESTROY THEIR CONTRIES THEIR RADICALISTS DO IT WITH THEIR IDIOCY.
I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTAND THESE PEOPLE MORE THAN YOU UNDERSTAND YOURSELF. I HAVE SPENT TIME WITH THEM, I HAVE SAT DOWN AND ASKED THEM TO EXPLAIN THEIR WAYS OF LIFE A ND VIEWS AND WHAT THEY SEE THE VIEWS OF THE EXTREMESTS TO BE. BOTTOM LINE THE PEACEFUL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE HAPPY AND CARE FREE IN THAT REAGION PREY TO THEIR GOD FOR OUR SUCSESS SO THAT THEY MAY LIVE THE LIFE THEY WANT WITHOUT FEAR OF THE TERRORISTS THAT RAVAGE THEM. WE AS AMERICANS ARE NOT PERFECT, TRUE ENOUGH BUT WE HAVE THE POWER TO SUSTAIN, EXSTINGUISH, OR CREATE PEACE IF THE PEOPLE LIKE YOU BUG WOULD LET US!!!!
I HAVE SEEN MORE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS DIE IN COMBAT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHEN YOU WERE NEVER EVEN THERE AS THE RESULT OF LIBERAL IDOCY. YOU WANT SO BADLY TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THAT YOU COST US OUR LIVES BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE FACT THAT OUR ENEMY CAN WATCH CNN ASWELL, AND IN DOING SO THEY GET TO SEE MORE THAN THEY SHOULD AND SO DO YOU!!!!
ALSO SO WE ARE CLEAR I HAVE VERY GOOD MANERS EVENTHOUGH MY LIFE, CAREER, AND LIVELYHOOD, MAY AT TIMES REQUIRE SAVEGERY, BUT I STILL KNOW VERRY WELL WHEN TO USE EACH OF THEM.
SO MR THEBUG YOU SHOULD STOP WHILE YOU ARE AHEAD BEFORE I SQUASH YOU LIKE ONE.
YOU SOUND A LITTLE LIKE A TREASONIST....... WATCH IT!
usaranger...... i thank you for your service. i think it might be time for you to look for a new job. there are few things as corrosive to the human spirit as malice, PTSD can and will kill you ,,it's a sneaky motherfucker, i've seen it firsthand i am a vet also, although my service could never compare with what yours, i wish you the best
We are all impressed ..... and I will even say in awe of your commitment to your country and cause. And everyone should be grateful for individuals that serve in the military and thank you for your service.
But lets be honest as you suggest - these individuals are idiots and have probably caused 90% of the problems of where we are at at this time. Lets be even more painfully honest and agree that you have no clue as to what these people believe, want or even think is appropriate as you suggest. You are as diluted as your president if you think you can understand any person that can willfully strap explosives to their body and detonate them killing themselves and 10 other people for their god and belief system. The minute Johnny Campbell from Wisconsin can strap a bomb to his bicycle and drive in and blow up a McDonalds for Jesus - then we will understand. Beyond that, this is a losing battle and exercise your buddies undertaking.
Thank you, sir.
God Bless you as well. When it comes to matters of dying and killing, emotions do run high. (JimmyUSA- you may have misunderstood the Ranger in his generalizations as to the "they" he referred. The vast majority of Middle Easterners do not support suicide bombings. The "they" he appeared to be referring was not the ones you mistakenly suggested. Right now it isn't a losing battle...or, haven't you heard. Despite the lillies who have not supported the efforts, our military is in fact, winning. Sad, when our winning strides come as a disappointment to so many in the USA.)
streamy i suggest you enlist immediately,,,, jimmy usa if you read action reports of the marines in the pacific during ww2 you will find numerous instances of men attacking heavily defended position with virtually no hope of survival or success, with nothing more than a satchel charge and a rifle. why do you think they did that?..... they believed what they were doing was right and so do i
streamy ,,,FYI the iraqi's have 75% unemployment, no clean water, a religion forced down their throat that could gag a maggot, 130 degree heat, inconceivable corruption in their own government, religious factions that detest each other and a seemingly endless supply of weapons, that's a bad combination plus all the chicks are dressed in black beekeeper suits for some reason?
you can't keep people from killing forever...,,,not of they really mean it
Now guess what, I have nothing to do with any death in Iraq. I am not a US citizen and if I had any control over the events the invasion would never have happened.
The invasion was a big mistake, but pulling out now would be another big mistake. Since you liike fighting so much, you can be thankful to your government for providing more of it than you will be able to do in a lifetime. Read some about the history of Iraq, the British Empire had a nice short interdiction there, took them about 70 years until they pulled out frustrated.
Chuck--Very good points.
My point to you...what is victory worth? What are you willing to give up or endure for something better? Apparently, you and others want results that can only be attained in a microwave and possibly in your bedroom.
Oh wait, the USA's attempt at democracy took, what, 6-7 months and everyone was on board.
C-Victory...have been down this road before andwe all know that this is a canard. We know that victory will not be a formal surrender (unless your victory has us surrendering) nor will it be everyone waving an American flag. Victory will be an ongoing thing...democratization, local removals of Islamofascism, capital ownership of their oil, decreasing need for military use, etc. All of those things may not happen at the same time, nor at the same rate.
We know what defeat looks like...abandonment of the mission.
To your brilliant questions, lillyboy...
sooooo....you want their oil? No...does it look like it? But, continuing the supply of oil at market prices, etc...cerainly part of the goals. (Note: illiterate one: They need to run their ow oil.)
And who exactly are the "islamofascists"? I knew you would have NO CLUE who they are. They are the ones who kill women and children who don't dress properly...who spread propaganda, that you seem to believe and support, things about the west and why ONLY sharia is the alternative.
Are you talking about your Saudi friends? maybe...things will have to develop a certain way before taking that kind of action. For a chicken who can't stand our military incursions, you really are beating the drums of war with SA. (Chicken Hypocrit)
You know....the ones who were on the airplanes on 9/11?
You finally gonna gather enough balls and go after THEM?
No?
Then jam it, redneck. I would like to sit with you one day...a beer...a discussion...just to look you in the eyes and see if you could muster up the pluck to call me a redneck.
C-
I love the name calling. I'll answer to all of them, little boy.
But, coward is the one you own. (Buggery rents it.)
and, liar.
and, hypocrit.
Known to all.
You are pretty tough, though, big guy. I know where I stand on things. You have to make it up as you go. Which is why I feel very sure your zipper would rust long before you had the fortitude to speak to anyone eye-to-eye and call them a name. Cowards are like that.
Hey, Ranger. Seems anyone who believes strongly in what he does and has FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF IT (unlike these girls) is shell-shocked, or battle fatigued...the old terms for PTSD.
Our boss Chumm has friend named Bushmills who has an old Middle-East Russia hand friend named Moses Sands. Chumm has posted on his blog at Townhall.com (vbushmills.townhall.com), http://vbushmills.townhall.com/g/50e8b683-9fab-44c7-acca-2f2c399f58f4, a report on democracy in Iraq dating back to the 2005 election.
Funny things, is these girls would agree with just about everything Mr Sands says (it's a long read) but still, deny it in their everyday actions and speech, because it means they have to give up some precious thing they hate.
They secretly hate you because you make them seem small.
Stream, as before, you need to be reminded that Canuck comes from a different tradition about both "liberty" and the use of military in either procuring it or defending it. Socialists as rule hate the word....and last I looked, Canada is a socialist democracy...which is sort of like a "pretty ugly woman". (remember that old sheep joke, where the fellow chose the ugliest one?...that social democracy.)
Secondly, Canada, being more European than North American, has no tradition of sending its soldiers to die for other men's liberty. Or its own, for that matter....since there's was more or less handed to them by the Crown. We've been down this road with her Ladyship, Tweedle-dumber before, just as she already knows we have no friends in Saudi Arabia, except maybe three of four democracy-loving princes we'd like to see run the show someday. In fact, Tweedle-Dumbest's best friend in the terror movement are closer to the Saudi official religion, so one might refer to his/her pals in saudi Arabia. AQ's beef with SA is simply that they made nice with us in '91 and allowed us to profane Saudi soil then. That was the same reason the Saudis came raging out of the desert in 1920-21 getting rid of the Hashemites, because they'd made nice with the Brits to get rid of the Turks, but profaned Holy soil to do it. (That;s the history in brief...only our girl can;t read it because it gets in the way of his template.)
Thanks for bringing all the new names here up to date on the old names. Scatman
First clue I've got Stream and his hillybilly posse in a dither:
They ALWAYS resort to slagging an historical aly with sweeping insults/generalizations, aimed at the nation as a whole.......
AND AT THE SAME TIME......
stick up and/or otherwise turn a blind eye/and or give a pass to a country (Saudi Arabia) that has produced more extremists and murderers of Americans in the last 40 years, than ANY other country on earth, up to and including 9/11.
canuck, you are forgetting that Stream already told us in another thread that killing US citizens is about the same as car accidents if it is done by a nation that is on good trading terms with the USA...
FUCK YOU CHUMMIN. LESTER B. PEARSON FUCKING INVENTED PEACEKEEPING. ("CANADA HAS NO TRADITION FOR SENDING MEN TO DIE FOR OTHER MEN'S LIBERTY"). I TOTALLY THINK CAMUCK IS AN IGNORANT FUCKING HYPOCRITE, BUT THAT'S NO REASON TO GO AFTER THIS COUNTRY WHOSE FLAG I PROUDLY SERVE UNDER. YOUR JUST AS FUCKING IGNORANT AND HYPOCRITIC AS HIM. I DON'T INSULT THE FUCKING U.S.
I've just seen your posts. I'm quaking in my boots, not because you make inane threats in cyberspace, but because, if you are truly representative of the US Armed Forces, the world is fucked! You make my point for me. My entire family fought in a war which actually was about freedom rather than a foreign adventure about oil. Some of them were highly decorated, but all rarely spoke about their experiences, and when they did, it was softly and with dignity. Promising to turn people who disagreed with them into paraplegics would not occur to them.
Are you sure you're not angryman? He uses caps lock like to make similarly dramatic points.
I wanna defend the U.S military here. Every1 feels sorry for the cab driver have u seen how much they charge for a cab over there???? I have..KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK U.S.A
I WEAR MY WIFE'S UNDERWEAR WHEN I'M KILLING RAGHEADS! AND I'LL KILL ANYBODY WHO SAYS I SHOULDNT. I MEAN, FUCKSAKE, ALL YOU PINKO LIBERAL TERROR SYMPS SHOULD EAT MY SHIT. I LOST ALL MY BUDDIES IN A FIREFIGHT WITH A GERBIL ARMED WITH A TOOTHPICK - THEY WAS REAL BRAVE NOT LIKE YOU ASSHOLES WHO AINT NEVER BEEN TO REAL WAR! WERE DEFENDING YOU FROM GERBILS AND COMMIES EVERYWHERE AND WE JUST GET SHIT FROM YOU. GOD BLESS AMERICA! GOD BLESS ME! GOD BLESS EVERYBODY WHO AGREES WITH ME! GET THE WHEELCHAIRS READY FOR RAGHEADS AND PINKOS!
TIE A YELLOW RIBBON ROUND THE OLD OAK TREE! INVADE IRAN! FUCK IT - INVADE EVERYWHERE! G9O BACK INTO NAM AND FLUSH OUT THOSE GOOKS. FUCK CLINTON! FUCK GORE VIDAL! FUCK JANE FONDA! FUCK HER UNDERWEAR AND HER STOOPID AEROBICS! FUCK EVERYBODY!
Alias? Wow, I had not thought that everybody but myself is using their real name here on Glumbert. At least I am consistent in my alias and I don't use multiple.
Ranger, I was about to say something positive about you until I read your above posting. Unfortunately that last post reinforces the impression that you are an agressive bully who does not tolerate any opinion besides his own.
My point about the whole situation is that it has been a mistake to invade Iraq, especially in the way the USA did it. Though there is no simple answer to anything in the region. The roots for the problems are more than 100 years old, actually some dates back to the crusades. But especially in the last 100 years people in that region have been kicked around by the USA and the European nations, mostly because of the oil. Saddam used to be an ally to the USA, then he was dropped because he got ideas of his own (invading Kuwait).
There are a lot of things that can be said about Iraq and a lot of theories how thing could have been done, but they are moot since we do have a given situation. Right now there is no alternative to massive troop presence in the Iraq until some stable situation can be created. But idiots like those in this video achieve the opposite, as we all seem to agree.
Basically the best you can do to stabilize the situation is to make sure that the average people in Iraq can live in peace and security. But if you happen to have your taxi overrun by a US tank, then what would you tell the friendly Mudschaheddin who knocks at your door and asks if he may store some explosives in your now empty garage?
With invading the Iraq the USA have bitten off a bigger chunk than they have ever thought. It was quite frustrating to watch how most of the things that were predicted to go wrong actually went wrong, including up to the current situation where an open civil war can be prevented only by a massive troop presence.
You do have my respect for wanting to go back there, risking your life wanting to help stabilize this country. Good luck on your next tour of duty (and I mean that despite the threats you are writing here).
But you don't get any respect from me for your agressive boastings about killing and wanting to invade more nations. It will take years to come to install anything resembling a real democracy in Iraq. They had a brief period of that before but it was not worth much as a democracy and it did not last long.
You really must stop throwing those little barbs at your betters. Learn from them instead (tho obviously this is a big ask and we know you'll struggle)
Thanks, Mako
Just making my way down this thread and found here that you wrote words but did not offer anything. I thought maybe your absence might have brought clarity to your small, but confused world.
Oh so sorry Streamy. I was unaware that I was responding to something of depth in your post above this. My abject apologies for not rising to the exalted levels that you...oh..er wait. HA!
Simply looks like you can do nothing but dig; both at others who perpetually best you in argument and your own little hole to wallow and wail in.
I vote usaranger for Humanitarian of the year..... lympics for these recomendations to Usaranger u should watch video amazing racist and zeitgeistmovie.com and as for me joining the olympians ill give ya my adress
Ok just watcheed video clip range rover vs tank and i take back giving out my adress to usaranger dont think my mustang will out run a tank on this snow we have up here in Canada si ti usaranger Hail Hitler and are we O K K K RANGER????LOL
Well, I'm going to give you this: I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, that you really are who and what you say you are, as well as what your name implies. Having said that, here's my offering to you:
One of the things that soldiers who represent any democracy fight for, is just that: democracy. Freedom of thought. Freedom of opinion. Freedom of expression. The freedom to dissent and disagree, without having to brand anyone as treasonous, or "unpatriotic", or somehow less than a human being. You wore the uniform? Excellent. Kudos to you. You served in an occupation (s)? Three cheers for you. But I think you'd better have a serious re-examination of what that uniform you wore actually stands for. You see, when you come out and lambast and insult others after claiming to be who and what you are, you sound like nothing more than a barbaric slug. That's all. The word "professional" seems to not apply to you one bit. Now who's fault is THAT? Mine? Anyone elses? Or YOURS, for coming off and sounding like you do? I made a post already indicating that I thought it was a shame the few idiots in this video might give a negative impression to a lot of people by virtue of their actions (and let's be honest here: they DO look like retards). It does not surprise in the least...IN THE LEAST....that a redneck bonehead like Streamlined doesen't criticize these morons, and cheers on your bellicose ranting. Personally, I think when you carry on like that, you disgrace uniform you wore (wear?) and what it stands for and demean the memory of those who aren't coming back. If you cannot see that, then you, sir, need a reality check or a good psychiatrist.
Also, let's be clear on another thing: soldiers go where they're told to go. Period. They do NOT pick and choose their wars. At all. If your idiot C-in-C sends you to fucking Borneo, to hunt for tropical fungus, then you're going, whether you like it or not, whether you agree with the mission or not. So in a really bizarre twist, you fight for the freedom for OTHERS to express THEIR opinions....but you are not entitled to one whilst serving. You gave that up when you signed on the dotted line. If you're on the level...you KNOW I'm right about this.
So...in the future, try to be a little more professional and articulate in your comments. Name-calling and mindless cheering of the "rah-rah" type displays an appalling lack of undertsanding or sensibility on your part.
I think the ranger was up late drinking and thinking about losing buddies, working his ass off, doing multiple tours of duty....then see's this video and reads SHIT about soldiers and the US, all generalized into a simple (media spun) myopic view, and all he want's is just ONE "first" post!
Sure, we all have our opinions of "the" war, or any war for that matter, but how many of us are "there" right now, living it in technihorror color.
I know first hand from a friend who's been there and another friend of my son's, who is there now as a sniper. The latter being the one that worries me. He left two years ago as a young 18 year old, quiet, smiley, kind, boy, who I hunted deer with. He used to talk about the beauty of the fall color in the trees, the smell of fall, the deer herd and big bucks. Now...(through email) he seem's cold and emotionless, has no response to my deer hunting stories, sends me (very graphic) pictures of his latest "kill" and goes on about the awesome head shot and "I'm up to nine now" boasting!
When people die in war, it's not pretty, not like TV, it's bloody, smells horrible, parts and pieces everywhere, the emotional toll is accumulative, you start losing the "I care" attitude and switch into survival mode, never knowing what's next, or who the enemy is. Is that little kid loaded with C4?, how bout that lady over there?, what's up with that car coming our way? etc, etc. In this video, as far as I'm concerned, the Iraqi's were damn lucky the left with their lives! Universal law is, shoot all looters!
It is HELL over there, we cannot forget that. Most importantly we cannot forget what each and every soldier is going through personally.
If, after going through what usaranger has been through, I read some of the IGNORANT INSULTING SHIT (and that's what it is) that comes from some posters here, I WOULD LOCK THOSE CAPS AND SPEW TO NO END!
I'm thinking we could cut usaranger, the GI in this video and all soldiers, just a bit of slack here...they're the one's who, as canuck has noted, has given up their freedoms to preserve it for others, no matter the personal consequences, no matter how right or wrong this "war" is perceived (or is), it's not his decision to be there, at that time and place, doing what he's under orders to do. It is he and his fellow GI's that are coming home armless, sightless, legless, in a chair, or DEAD!
I can tell by the words written and the emotion that comes through, the ranger is real and is OWED SOME RESCPECT HERE!
That's what he and other GI's will forever get from me!
Any of you thanked a vet lately? Some above have, what about YOU!
I agree with much of what you wrote. My whole point was simply that ranger does HIMSELF more of a disservice than anyone else when he goes off on a rant like that. A shame, really. Because when that happens, I don't think of a professional, honorable man who did his duty proudly; rather, the image that enters my mind is a shadowy figure skulking in a dark alley, waiting to slit some 75-year-old ladys throat to rob her of her pension cheque, as well as for the pure rush of it.
Now if THAT is the image he wants to foster, then so be it.
But then he can't cry foul when folks look at him, and say something negative.
We ALL reap what we sow, Bruddah, because we're ALL big boys and girls.
Good points from Miter and Canuck...
I think that not a few of our soldiers are fed up with what can only be seen as self flattery: "We support the soldiers, but not the war." That, of course, is impossible and is only put forth by those who do not want to be seen as soft or unpatriotic. I have heard too many stories, read a few letters and have listened to a few of our soldiers who have returned and said, in a nutshell, we are doing work and seeing results largely not reported OR is reported so that success is not the focus.
As a professional coach, I can only imagine what could happen if everyone began telling my athletes that they supported them but not their leadership. How long before dissatisfaction and dissention became institutional? This sort of thing appears to be celebrated by some here, with the constant snapshot articles and misrepresentation of the facts...that constantly change as new things develop.
I do not believe GWB has done a perfect job. But, I do not think each step in a war is ever perfect; they all come with consequences intended and otherwise. When the consequences are not what we want, we still need to support the soldiers and their missions. They are best able to go forward confidently when we support their missions, whether we think they are the best strategies or not.
If you don't believe what is being done in the ME is in the world's best interest, including theirs...fine. However, nut-up and then say you don't support the troops' actions. At least then, we have honest starting ground. Fight to bring them home and withdraw. But, smugly pointing out GWB's supposed shortcomings to make yourself feel really smart...now that pisses off soldiers.
The soldiers get sent to wherever by the POLITICAL leadership, regardless of what said soldiers opinions are (which said politcal leadership gives a rats ass about). They get their orders; they go. End of story. Therefore it is ONLY the politcal leadership that should be held accountable, as to where soldiers go, what their mission is, etc. So because of that, yes, it IS possible to support the troops.....but denounce the leadership that sent them wherever.
Stream....Cheney and Bush are NOT the end all to be all...ok?
Thank you, resident coward.
I can only assume you have never been a part of any team or anything of that nature.
Genius...how does one support the players while decrying the coaches?
Great comeback, Capt. of the curling squad.
I think we know who the coward is.
Wait, did you just say "more than you". That is awesome. I have some great comebacks that you will understand:
1) "OH YEAH?!"
2) "YO MAMA!"
3) "NO YOU HAVEN'T!"
Ca-cluck.
What did I just hear/read the third-shift rent-a-cop from Toronto say? be articulate and professional?
Hey, Ranger. Just search this toad's history o Glumbert. he's called you everything from baby-killer to c**k-S**king muther f**ker to you back, and God help you if you ever went to church as a kid. And if you have even an ounce of off-white blood in you...you're dead meat. Of course, that';s all behind your back. We have a lot of fun with Her Sistership...the only freedom this monkey believes in is the sound of his own voice....bellowed safely from the confines of his mother's basement apartment...The Man Den. He's as Red as Lenin's Baboon's ass....so couch everything he says in that context. Cheers
Never has ANYONE here to my knowledge ever disparaged any of the troops serving in Iraq. EVER.
In fact if YOU did your homework properly before coming on here and spouting drivel along with links to pathetic neo-con sources you'd see most times it is the exact opposite - SUPPORT for the troops in an unfortunate situation where their CIC is an idiot.
Strange that you always forget that.
Normally puppets are hand-controlled but you seem to have Bush's cock up your arse working your mouth.
Scatman--you forgot Ca-cluck's most logical connection: If you did not serve in the military, you must be a coward. And the contrapositive, if you did, you must be brave.
Camuck you fucking useless waste of space, when the time comes that you can express some opinion OTHER than "you are a moron", maybe someone will give a flying rats ass whether you post or not. Until then, GO THE FUCK AWAY!!!!!!!! You are just another in a long line of useless tools who come here hoping that someone, please, someone, pay attention to me, negative or positive. You too have outlived your pitiful existence here.
Americans have the most amazing tendency to see things in black and white: good guys and bad guys. I suppose it's something to do with movies. IIRC, the US Army were criticised in the first few hours of the invasion for not doing enough to prevent looting. After all, in invasions of old, looters were "shot on sight". The action in this video was as a result of that criticism, when they were finally starting to clamp down. Unfortunately, as we learned from the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's not always obvious what's "looting" and what's "finding essential supplies" in the form of fuel (as in this case), food, and medicines.
There's another aspect of this that's particularly pathetic to those of us who were against the invasion from the start: namely, a tendency to denigrate the troops who, after all, were just doing, to the best of their ability, what our clueless governments asked them to do. So lay off the soldiers, please, and have a go at the idiot politicians and the people who supported them at the time. If you didn't go on a demo in February 2003, I'm talking about YOU.
THE RANGERS DONT NEEDNONE OF THIS SHIT FROM NOBODY. WERE THE BEST AND WE KICK ASS NO QUESTIONS ASKED!
MAKES NO DIFFRENCE TO US IF ITS A RAGHEAD OR SOME CAMPUS PUSSY - IF THEYRE IN THE WAY WE SMOKE THEM. YOU WANT TO BE RUN BY RAGHEADS?
OR PUSSIES? OR DEMOCARTS?
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FUCKEM ALL! GAS EM AND STOMP EM! ALL MY BUDDIES ARE DEAD SINCE THE BIG GERBIL BUSTUP SO ITS JUST ME NOW AGAINST THE RAGHEADS. FUCK EM ALL!
275 - we all DO see the difference between a 2 and a 3, so please, find another name. The alias thing has been done to death already.
I would like to add that I agree, no one really thinks everyone in the military acts inappropriately just because of this video. As in any specific group of people, there are going to be a few who mistreat and misuse, but the majority are going to be conscientious, stand up, and do what they're supposed to.
I also agree that TV shows too much. Do they not realize that terrorists can and do have access to television programming?
miter, even when you thought "275" was the real one, you still cut him some slack and urged everyone else to do the same. 275 went off the charts with crazy rants, while 375 was merely outraged.
You did us all proud.
The latest National Intelligence Estimate report that made Bush out to be LYING AGAIN (this time about Iran), a has sparked quite an interesting response from the right-wing nutfarm jobs:
Apparently, they're saying that this is all the CIA's fault, and that this is a deliberate attempt/plot to undermine Georgie-Boy, and his GRAND PLANS FOR WWIII. Praise JEEEE-ZUSSS!!!
bush's policy is transparent after viewing pod's movie about peak oil sadam hussein was one of our best defenses against radical islam. he hated them .. streamy we are waiting enlist now i can't wait to see how you handle a multiple tour induced case of PTSD you probably don't even know what it is..you little fuckin cheerleader (did you know bush was a cheerleaser too?) ps...don't those ten commandments say something about not killing
Why do I get this vision of Cheney laying in bed the last few nights, angrily frothing in the darkness "What went wrong? What the fuck went wrong??" If that's true, then the answer is quite simple:
someone....somewhere.....actually started doing their jobs.
Streamy's ode to Cheney as recited nightly whilst assuming the position for his little pal A.R.S.E soul:
Dear Mr Cheney, I know all you say
Is the truth, it’s so obvious, all clear as day
As I lie here believing my earth is so young
I’ll also believe all the dung that you’ve spun
About nukes, big bad ragheads and Islamofascists
And my bible that tells us Armageddon will come
At the hands of your sidekick, little numpty-boy Bush
The dumb one who told us he’s ready to push
That little red button to start world war three
He warned us about it, almost said it with glee
And so I believe you without any doubt
And refuse to listen to those who shout out
That you are a man child with evil intent
A fat neo-controller, a force others hope spent
And I’m also happy to wail shrill and high
That internet articles are nothing but lies
They’re put there to harm you and that I won’t stand
For, Mr Dick Cheney, YOU are MY man
Hugs, love and Kisses, Streamy
PS Can you come speak at our bible reading next weekend? We have a white gown and pointy hat in just your size
A vicious old bastard called Cheney
Was corrupt, dissolute and insane, he
Told lies to his boss and the troops all because
His oil shares had gone down the swanee.
If visions of Cheney give you the hots,
Permit me these simple downhome thoughts;
As he lies there in his king size bed
I'd like to shit upon his head!
Hey Stream......aren't you happy that the "system" is gonna turf this RAGHEAD out? That sonofabitch. How DARE he wear the uniform, and expect ANY consideration???
Follow this story, C.
If he did, in fact, marry to get into the country (fraudulently) what should be done?
Does his service negate his fraud?
Didn't the people who brought down the towers manipulate dishonestly to gain access to our weaknesses?
Yep...by posting what other's think. Your current skill of wonderment is gullibility.
(You know that word is not even in the dictionary, but we use it anyway.)
Thinking...well, maybe that's for another time. (Noticed you did not nor have you really ever answered my criticisms of your links. Maybe it's because you are so nuanced and esoteric.)
So Stream'o'bullshit...let me get this straight... This is a guy who'd already been granted permanent residency and was already serving in the army at the time he applied for citizenship...You appear to be IN FAVOUR of deporting someone who may (OR MAY NOT) have married in order to get into the country...
More importantly this is someone who once granted residency put on a uniform to fight on YOUR behalf?
You are placing this guy in the same context as the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom were granted anything more than temporary visas according to the CIS??
Are you for real or just too bloody minded for your own good (like Bush, Cheney and your little A.R.S.E soul chummy girl)
The article states, "The aggressive prosecution of the case has surprised immigration lawyers who point to a directive that advises officials against pressing to deport acting military personnel unless they have been involved in drug trafficking, crimes against children or violence, or unless they pose a danger to the public. Benkabbou's irregularity over his marriage falls into no such categories"
Now I'd hazard a guess that it could go two ways:
1. Either the intelligence services know more about him than they are letting on, in which case why the hell have they let him go front line in Afghanistan?
2. Or they regard the fact he is a muslim in the armed services as posing a danger to the public.
With the right wing idiots you support leading your country down the shitter, my guess is the latter reason!
Will you sign up to take his place if he is eventually deported?
You, sir are incredible. In the worst way possible
Ca-cluck--I see you did not read what I wrote, as I asked you a question. I don't think you read the articles you cite because they often don't support your stupidity.
Mako--as a champion of illiteracy, I would ask you to read my questions again...without your small head up your loose behind.
I did not imply he was of the 9//11 type...just his methods, should they truly be fraudulent. Isn't that the story, bozo...whether there was fraud? Now, that is why I asked my questions. You and the coward are too bigoted to see honest questions.
Streamy you obtuse little man you claim others' illiteracy and then promptly shoot yourself in your own chicken foot by not reading the article.
The story is not about fraud per se, that is one element of it.
The bigger picture is that it's actually about an Arab American who stands the chance of deportation AFTER FIGHTING FOR YOUR COUNTRY.
Don't try back tracking on this. The story states allegations, NONE PROVED
These are your words:
*Didn't the people who brought down the towers manipulate dishonestly to gain access to our weaknesses?*
Now if that's not some high minded attempt at drawing parallels with the 9/11 hijackers then you delude yourself.
The answer to your question is in the post above - IF he lied about being married then according to his lawyers who NO DOUBT know a hell of a lot more than you, that still should NOT make him eligible for deportation.
Again I'll let you re-read as I know things take a lot longer to sink in for you:
*immigration lawyers who point to a directive that advises officials against pressing to deport acting military personnel unless they have been involved in drug trafficking, crimes against children or violence, or unless they pose a danger to the public.*
Not reporting an annulled marriage doesn't quite make that list there my little BS'er
The "spin" coming from this idiot makes me want to retch. He just CANNOT stand to be wrong, and be made to look like a fuckin' dork (although you'd think he'd be USED TO IT by now).
Correct...you are a stupid plank.
How reliable can an NIE estimate be if it JUST NOW confirms what it should have known THEN? Maybe Iran is being duplicitous.
What does one do when the IAEA determines something else about Iran as recently as 2005?
Stream! You zealot! What is THIS?? GASP!!! Is it possible?? Yes, I think it's true!! The U.N. and the U.S. NIE are ON THE SAME PAGE!!
Lemme now....that's two strikes on Georgie-Boy with TWO collaborating items, bascially saying that George and Dick are....well....basically lying dicks.
Still crying, Stream? Feeling betrayed by your Masters yet?
Interesting spin, C.
You are too narrow here. If it is true that Iran halted it's nuclear ambitions (insert giggle here), why are they enriching uranium?
Also, wouldn't that be seen as a good thing by the administration?
If it is true, wouldn't it be a nice consequence of the Iraq war? (Like Lybia)
Or, do you suppose they are telling th truth...like North Korea?
Man, your side of the argument may have the press and media 9 (and the sheeple who swallow it uncritically) but, gosh darn it, you all can't think your way through a cattle maze.
Forgive me for putting in my tuppenceworth here. I am not a North American, so please tolerate my naivety on matters concerning the Middle East.
Iran = formerly Persia, yes? The Persian Empire was the greatest in the known world long before most parts of Europe, save perhaps Greece, had even formulated written language. What is now the United States was at that time populated by disparate tribes of primitive indigenous peoples, whose culture, although fascinating, hardly stands comparison with the mighty Persian Empire.
Today, the United States does not approve of Iran having nuclear capacity. The United States has lots of nuclear weapons, and has already used two of them in anger. Is Iran a rogue state? How do you define such a thing? Has the United States the right to determine the defence systems of a sovereign state? And would attacking that state make the world a safer place? Serious questions. I eagerly await informed answers.
Yes, you are absolutely correct that the Persian Empire was the founding of many of civilization's principals of culture, art and sciences. I am appalled by the condensation and lack of respect given these people by the previous and current administration, but not surprised.
Those in power are not any better educated (perhaps less so) than any average man on the street, and sometimes they believe that faith is a valid replacement for knowledge and wisdom, and it is not.
Never link power with intelligence, or empathy, as they are very rarely embodied in the same entity.
How true. Respect is something that is all too often missing in the dealing with the near and middle east nations. But respect for the people there has a higher value than for most western nation people.
I recently heard the Iranian ambassador to Germany speak on a meeting with a discussion afterward. It was very interesting how he worded his rationalization about them wanting nuclear power.
The bottom line is that they actually do have a problem with their energy infrastructure since there was not a lot invested since the ousting of the Shah. Nuclear power to them looks like the logical solution since that will keep their oil for foreign sales. On the other hand it gives them the unspoken threat of being in a position to get THE bomb if they want to.
Attacking the Iran would be counter productive. Diplomacy is the best option there, they are already on the road to become a real democracy, though they do have quite some way ahead of them. The bullshit with Israel and the symphatisation with the terroristsis definitely something that warrants so
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