mako, i would appreciate it if you would make some useful comments. if you believe evolution, try to defend it with some sort of data. don't blindly believe it because your college professor is telling you its true. that is indoctrination not knowledge.
I even referenced the threads where all your supposedly 'brillant' supporting arguments for creationism have been tried, tested and debunked. With data. Lots of it.
It's been used to thoroughly torpedo the ark you live on (used that phrase before and will use it again now)
Genesis is a very poetic book of the Bible...infact a lot of Christians believe the word "day" is rough translation that merely means a "period of time"...which could be 24hrs or 1000 years...
The sunrise and sunset of these "days" merely symbolize the end of a "period"...
In this concept...
Sea Creatures and Birds are created on the Fifth day...
Land animals and Man are created on the Sixth day...
And each day could very well symbolize 1000 years or 10,000 years
It's completely within the word of the Bible for the Earth to be more than 10,000 years old...
Besides, there are as many holes in Evolution Theory as there are in Creationist Theory...
Carbon Dating is the most reliable way of pre-dating archaeological finds, however it can only meassure back 40,000 years...
Other methods are used, but become inaccurate when there are differences throughout the item being dated.
In the end, Evolution IS a religion, if it even was real, there is no way you could prove it...in the 10,000 years or so that people ahve been wandering the earth there is no way we could have measured any difference in the evolutionary process...
Albert Einstein studied the universe for years and came to the realization that there was no way the universe could be this complex without a creator.
"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice." - Albert Einstein
Just to refine the quote a bit, what Einstein did really write was "Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der Alte nicht würfelt." Since it was in a letter to a German scientist. The exact translation of this would be "In conclusion I am convinced the old one does not throw dice".
Einstein was probably not an atheist, but definitely areligious. And he was never christian but jewish.
Id like to punch these guys right in the face could u imagine teaching kids this crap.Dinosaurs are artwork???????????????????????Fairy Tales???????? Alright i gotta stop peace out!
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Is zis ein comedy show? Like ze famous Onion?
If not, I haf to congratulate zese men for ze greatest propaganda machine since ze fiendish Goebbels!
Surely people do not truly believe zis? I am very old, und easily confused, but even I do not - how do you say - buy zis bullshit.
Your blog voz ein masterpiece, ver much zee mutts nuts as zey say... I vish you vud continue but understand your age und love for zee pampas und armadillos may hamper your enjoyent of chugwater!
God's done made me in my perfik form. Ain't no evomalution an I ain't be no ape-man. Dees guys got it rite. I's worship a 2000 yeer old jewish barber. Jezus be my co-pilot.
I read da Bible an "Christ" be my favorite philosofer "because he changed my life". Da Eart be only 6000 year old an dem dinosars drownded in Noah flood. U folks be kooky if U belief in sience.
[Stepping out of character] Is no one going to pick up on my President Bush quote? He said the quoted remarks before he was elected President for the first time. This speaks volumes about the "values" of the American public. Faith, to them, matters more than anything else - even proven scientific theories.
Pimp - apols for not picking up on the quote but let's face it, most of what that fuckwit says is pure unadulterated stupidity.
His dada's money saved him. Not God.
To be honest the whole US faith issue and it's growth over science could become a huge problem if the US masses become the brainwashed christian equivalent of the Taliban. Personally I think it already is.
The arguments seen offline in terms of the people wanting to teach this bullshit in science lessons as well as online suggest it.
Now get back ta pimpin' dem bitches man - ya gats to get da money mon!
Think that was just one of many, many faux pas GWB has uttered:
'If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator' Washington D.C Dec. 19, 2000
"Dick Cheney and I do not want this nation to be in a recession. We want anybody who can find work to be able to find work" 60 minutes II CBS December 5, 2000
Possibly one of the alternative versions of the original quoted above;
"They misunderestimated me" Bentonville Ark Nov 6 2000
"America better beware of a candidate who is willing to stretch reality in order to win points" aboard his campaign plane Sept 18 2000
'It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it" Reuters May 5 2000
The more recent personal favourite of mine is:
"I fully understand those who say you can't win this thing militarily. That's exactly what the United States military says, that you can't win this military"
That would be on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington D.C, Oct. 17, 2007
This video sickens me ! There are so many things wrong with this creationist drivel that I'm not sure where to start. The worst is to hear the kids near the end spouting back the garbage about creationism.
How did these guys get to lead a tour in a museum ?
I'm sure the guys leading the tour have some cult angle , because no adult with two brain cells could believe the creationism argument. It was proven in a court that creationism (intelligent design) is not valid material to teach in public classrooms. I feel bad for the kids, they don't know they are learning a bunch of nonsense.
Oh yeah, if you can't explain it. Just ignore it. Basically, they're saying if you can't see it, it doesn't exist unless it's the bible. Jesus had nothing to do with it. I can't blame the kids for regurgitating the narrow mind onset of these "brainwashers." I blame the parents for not allowing the child to take what path they choose, given all options available, and then make an EDUCATED assessment of evolution. It's sad, but that's the kind of actions that people are taking in the middle east.
"If you can't explain it, just ignore it." Isn't that exactly what the evolution religion does?
"blame the parents for not allowing the child to take what path they choose, given all options" as long as they choose the evolution religion in the end?
Couched in the scientific method Evolutionary theory has it in spades
Creationism has a book of instructions that mean you have all the answers upfront, to be aknowledged as truth without critical thought
America - and I'm fair to place this plea at your door only for no other western 'civilized' nation is pushing this crap on their children - wake the fuck up!
nefarious.... what I was saying is this: Anyone can choose what they want, but be exposed to all possibilities before choosing what you believe to be correct. period.
Hm, if early Christians and Dinos did actually exist at the same time then the Dinos likely died out because they could not stand the stupidity any more.
Nefarious - evolution is not religion. Never has been, never will be.
Evolution merely describes part of nature. The fact that that part of nature is important to many people does not make evolution a religion.
Look how they compare and you see where you're little barb is pointless
Religions explain ultimate reality. Evolution stops with the development of life, in fact it doesn't include the origins of life. Your little book has all the answers laid out for you so you don't have to think, enquire or question.
Just donate.
Religions describe the place and role of humans within ultimate reality. Evolution describes only our biological background relative to present and recent human environments.
Religions almost always include reverence for and/or belief in a supernatural power or powers, like the tooth fairy, father Christmas, or a guy in white with a long beard living in the clouds. Evolution does not.
Religions have a social structure built around their beliefs. Although science as a whole has a social structure, no such structure is particular to evolutionary biologists. Plus one doesn't have to participate in that structure to be a scientist
Religions impose moral prescriptions on their members, much like these fuckwits at the museum are doing to young impressionable minds. Evolution does not.
Religions include rituals and sacraments, spankings and choirboy sodomy. With the exception of college graduation ceremonies there is nothing comparable in evolutionary studies.
Religious ideas are highly static - they change primarily by splitting off new religions. Ideas in evolutionary biology change rapidly as new evidence is found. People who fundamentally believe in God find this threatening as it undermines the rational validity of their belief. It shows just how archaic their views actually are
By the way, how can a religion not have any adherents? When asked their religion most people who believe in evolution will call themselves members of mainstream religions like Christianity or Buddhism etc
None identify their religion as evolution. I am a Jedi by the way. Backbone knows this.
If evolution is a religion, it is the only religion that is rejected by all its members.
I'll concede that evolution may be considered a religion under the metaphorical definition of something pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. But as this could also apply to stamp collecting, watering plants or fucking choirboys, calling evolution a religion makes religion itself effectively meaningless.
I think more realistically though, in today's world it is simply that most evolutionary scientists are bored with the witless rantings of creationism. Attempting to shout something into existence as a valid alternative to evolutionary theory does not make it a viable alternative without true science to back it up. Creationism has none.
Using evolution to study the origins of religious attitudes does not make evolution a religion any more than using archaeology to study the origins of biblical texts makes archaeology a religion.
Evolution as religion has also been rejected by the courts.
This means we CAN and WILL take the piss out of young earth creationism
podman, you're right. you're not a biblical scholar. If you read the bible you'd understand that JESUS is in the New Testament.
But since you guys are all a cesspool of rants and disbelief, you'll flame me because that's your only type of response. So flame ahead. I'm not going to preach at you. If you want to believe that that's no Hell, you better pray that you're right.
If you wanna believe you'll otherwise be damned for eternity in a firery hell if you dont follow suite go ahead. I'd rather use my eyes life has given me and see that these fools are only brainwashing these kids. They talk about facts like they are there own. When will overly religous people see that it's all about contriolling the masses. because really without the religions (a way of living) most would be lost because there afraid to process that death is real! Dust to dust.........................The light religion bring into people's lives could be brought in the same way by living to serve other people with good deeds and expecting nothing in return but smiles. not some way to earn a Gods good will and promise of everlasting life. I wouldn't normally rant like this about my own reality because I like to think it is for me only. Although with type's like these guys in the world people like myself need to keep other ideas going. WE NEED TO BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHAT PROMISES ARE GIVEN TO US!!!!!!!!
Why can't we just believe in what Jesus preached regarding being decent to one another and that he was just an extraordinary person that changed the reality of how we should treat one another. Why do people NEED to believe life goes on? I believe it's inate! Not enforced by a ruler of sorts just a charateristic you get by being alive and not wanting it to end. Maybe it's all about hearing a good story with a happy ending............I like those too!
As I think about it I understand were all trying to make sense of this place we were born into. I just get bothered the same when someone religous tries to disavow science as if it's a made up. Science was taught to all of us with a formal education. It gave us tools to evaluate and understand the make-up of things. but the differance is we can all apply it not like the bible where you have to take it's word for it. I can take sciences word because I myself can apply it over and over and somehow it's not far fetched. Religions I understand do the same. They help those who believe make sense of there world.................
Mickey Mouse tells a different story and that is written too. Why dont you follow the holy mouse?
The bible is nothing but an old book that has been tinkered with over the centuries so it does not even has value as a historical document any more unless you use a lot of secondary sources.
Ok... so Jesus created everything.... *cough* and they date the fossil by the layer. How in accurate. Must be guaranteeing that no earth movement ever happened... what about carbon dating? If you know what carbon dating is, it's pretty well scientifically documented to be very accurate in the scale of macro evolution.
Carbon dating can only measure dates up to about 60,000 years, yet they use the technique to tell us that dinosaurs are *millions* of years old -- tell me how that works.
Freeme - You are right about Carbon being accurate to within approx 50k years. Do go check on other methods of radiometric dating though. These other methods exist because of the limitations of carbon dating.
Radiometric dates are consistent with several nonradiometric dating methods. For example:
The Hawaiian archipelago was formed by the Pacific ocean plate moving over a hot spot at a slow but observable rate. Radiometric dates of the islands are consistent with the order and rate of their being positioned over the hot spot
Radiometric dating is consistent with Milankovitch cycles, which depend only on astronomical factors such as precession of the earth's tilt and orbital eccentricity
Radiometric dating is consistent with the luminescence dating method
Radiometric dating gives results consistent with relative dating methods such as 'deeper is older'
The creationist claim that radiometric dates are inconsistent rest on a relatively few examples. Any tool can give false readings if used incorrectly.
Creationists ignore the vast majority of radiometric dates showing consistent results.
They have also been shown to be consistently accurate
These guys aren't preaching what the Bible says, they're preaching their interpretation of the Bible. Big difference. The Bible didn't say dinosaurs existed the same time as man. It did say there were "great beasts" in Genesis and it references the Behemoth and Leviathan several places in the Old Testament (Job for one). But the creation story itself is only a few pages long. I'm a practicing Christian and a subscriber of evolution because I think the two can be reconciled if you loosen up what you think is the correct way of interpreting the Bible. Maybe God MADE fossils. Maybe God made the world in a mature state, (just like he made man in a mature state). Surely, even the dumbest Christians can see how the Colorado river cuts through the Grand Canyon and say "hmm, that must've taken a long time." If you consider God being outside of time, and being capable of using time as a tool for creation than the Bible doesn't seem so farfetched. The Bible says we should have faith, not blind-faith and certainly not ignorance.
Faith has nothing to do with science. Evolution is a scientific concept and it is based on observable facts.
The fact that there are people too stupid understand or too much anchored in stupid beliefs does not mean there is anything wrong with the evolution theory.
Good call Podman! It's actually mind blowing to think people relate science and religion together. You can try to prove a religion based on scientific facts, but you can't can't can't prove any level of science by religion. Simple (I thought... *choke*) concept.
This makes me laugh (but not in a good way) There is a fantastic display on right now at the ROM (Royal Ontario Museum), all about Darwin, displaying his works, photographs, journals etc. documenting the theory of evolution. Somehow I rather doubt they'll ever have a "God made all this stuff" display. Kinda hard to get people to pay for tickets to see nothing.
But it would be gently and I would ensure I only used fossil bones accurately carbon dated to ensure they learnt something.
The parents I would simply send to Helmand province or downtown Tikrit with a big stars and stripes on their backs and see how much their God loves and protects them there. They'll experience first hand what following a creationist ideal eventually brings. Dark ages.
If all that you know is written, you know nothing in relation to what is. Mankind, so proud as to think any one is right and willing to kill those "wrong". I love these petty arguments any time spiritual matters are addressed; a circus of idiots for the gods to laugh at. I fart in your general direction, combatants.
There cannot be any other gods in the pantheon - the bible requires that you immediately stone to death anyone, including your own child, for talking about any other god. But these creationist assholes tend to ignore the parts of the bible that are just seen by almost everyone as metaphor or pure lunacy and yet expect us to take certain portions of this insane book literally. And then have the nerve to tell me that I am basing my decision on "faith" in evolution.
"the bible requires that you immediately stone to death anyone, including your own child, for talking about any other god. But these creationist assholes tend to ignore the parts of the bible that are just seen by almost everyone as metaphor or pure lunacy"
Umm, please inform me of which parts of the new testament you speak of. I can't seem to find this anywhere. Oh, they were lies? Well that makes since.
Nefariousprior - as mentioned above, I am not sure what difference it makes if the silly quotes with the angry vengeful god come only from the Old Testament - Am I wrong or is the Book of Genesis kinda part of the old Testament too?. But since you asked, look at Deuteronomy
Chapter 13, verses :7-11. "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. "
Yeah, that is right fucknuts, I was not lying or making up such a ridiculous claim - your Bible actually says this kind of nonsense. Your child talks about other gods, kill her. But I am glad the bible it is still a warm and comforting source of moral guidance for you. Or at least those portions that you Christians have not cast off as being clearly archaic or out of date. I thought this whole book was the holy word of god, so I am not sure how you Christians pick and choose which parts are gospel truth, and which are clearly primitive nonsense to be disregarded. I guess that is why you have to keep going to church all the time - keep up on those studies!
Look it up in your own bible if you doubt me. Funny, me an atheist, but I still probably have three bibles kicking around the house - kind of hard to avoid in North America. Unfortunately.
If all that you is known is written, then you know nothing. Yep, that's what I said, but meant that if you understood and memorized everything written by man explaining the meaning of his existence, including all concepts of God, then in relation to creation, you still know nothing. I haven't read all the posts here, but I assure you, as clever as I think I am at times, or times I think ya'll are clever, none of us has had an original thought.
Colosians 1:15-17 And He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities%u2014all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
There cannot be any other gods in the pantheon - the bible requires that you immediately stone to death anyone, including your own child, for talking about any other god. But these creationist assholes tend to ignore the parts of the bible that are just seen by almost everyone as metaphor or pure lunacy and yet expect us to take certain portions of this insane book literally. And then have the nerve to tell me that I am basing my decision on "faith" in evolution
"the bible requires that you immediately stone to death anyone, including your own child, for talking about any other god. But these creationist assholes tend to ignore the parts of the bible that are just seen by almost everyone as metaphor or pure lunacy"
Umm, please inform me of which parts of the new testament you speak of. I can't seem to find this anywhere. Oh, they were lies? Well that makes since.
My question was about where in GENESIS, is "Jesus is the designer and creator of everything made". This information being taught in the video to the children, not Colossians.
Did you mean: Genesis 1:15-17 (King James Version)?
15 - And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 - And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 - And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth
Nope, no Jesus in there.
Could it be that the man in the video has never read the bible? Could he be wrong in teaching "Jesus is the designer and creator of everything made"?
It is very easy to project the odds of chance happenings when you can assign unfathomable numbers of years into the equation. Even if man were the accident he is supposed to be, the developement of a perfect counter-part, (Eve) is beyond calculation. Their evolution, occuring at the same exact time, from the primordal ouze, again becomes impossible when the billions of years ARE factored in.
Even I no Eve came from Adams what was it fourteenth rib so expecting them both to evolve from the same primordial ooze is a bit much.
Hang on if Eve came from Adams rib wouldn't they be very closely related like siblings (clones) and then they had children who we all descended from so in that case we are all in-breds.
Thats against the teachings of all major religions. So unless we don't take all of the bible literally we should be OK.
On the other hand if we do take the bible literally well..............
I have to make a serious comment no one has claimed that Adam and Eve came from the same primordial pond but simple life forms did and that they eventually evolved into other life forms which in turned evolved into others.
Note they could not have evolved separately no one has claimed that so stop trying to push a bullshit point.
Mountain Man what are you saying? That it's impossible that a female of the species would not evolve alongside a male
What, you mean like the males and females of other non human species?
Or those species evolved to reproduce assexually
Or those species that reproduce sexually but which have evolved to change sex if the numbers of males or females of the species become overly large and the system needs to balance itself?
You use the words 'unfathomable', 'impossible' and 'beyond calculation'
Creationists have this problem of incredulity.
It's based on a simple lack of understanding of what can happen when almost inconceivable amounts of time are coupled with huge amounts of chemical and physical reactions.
Stuff happens. Some stuff works better than other stuff.
The stuff that works better than other stuff in its given environment sticks around longer and continues to work better and better
In some instance that stuff may change (or E.V.O.L.V.E) to a degree where it is almost unrecognisable from its original form.
This may be when a new species comes to pass.
Or it doesn't and dies out
Or the environment changes and it either adapts, improves further or dies out
etc, etc
Or the stupid people outfuck the clever ones.
Evolution - you can't really beat it coz you're part of it. Do try to catch up though
ahhh ignorance at its best as far as I can tell, the males and females of species don't evolve separately in fact, they evolve at the same time because in humans ONE CHROMOSOME out of 46 decides gender difference ONE CHROMOSOME and if the fact that males and females are the SAME SPECIES, and evolve together, is too much for you to swallow my friend, then I do believe you have no right to question biology. and let us not forget, science is NOT a religion, because if it were, then it would have absolutely no factual backing to it it is not a matter of faith, but a matter of reason
but don't listen to me im just a 15 year old kidwith a FRESH MIND growing up in a religious household and am open minded enough to tell the difference if you can convince me otherwise by all means I'll convert
Unbelievable! No Evolution is not a perfect science but to totally disregard it's ideas. Could this be the start of another form of "jihad", by not understanding the others views. I mean one of the teachers was telling the kids that "Jesus" was responsible for the creation. Jesus was a man and the faith says that he was the son of God. I mean if you are going to be so head strong in your "beliefs", get your f*ckin facts straight! Maybe they should read the bible instead of humping it.
You have your sacred books from prohets too. Evolution is a religion and it cannot be claimed otherwise. Most of the points made by the religion of evolution are countered by this simple fact.
This is how I feel my Father was a devout Catholic and since his parting I have continued the practice more for Him than myself and the only way I can do that is by NOT taking the bible as a strict guideline to everything. To believe that it is total fact is stupid to say the least - remember it was written hundreds of years ago when it was thought the world was flat.
Galileo was imprisoned for stating that the earth revolved around the Sun he was imprisoned for his trouble, not so long ago the church publicly apologised for this injustice so if the church can acknowledge that they have made mistakes and have evolved why can't you accept that maybe not all of the bible is to be taken literally.
Its these blind faith people of all religions that cause more trouble than I believe is worth. That in essence gives religion a bad name.
People make a lot of claims about what the bible says. Your point in history refers to catholicism, a very corrupt sect of Christianity, which teaches that you are to believe what the church(rome) tells you to and are not allowed to interpret the bible yourself.
Please inform me of where exactly in the bible it suggests the the earth does not revolve around the sun.
Ah, now you are not only selecting which pages of the bible are to be used in which situation, you also pick which christians are the true ones?
I do agree with you that the catholics are rather corrupt, but they are the largest group among the christians and even they have admitted that the bible is not to be taken by the word.
So there seems to be something even more wrong with whatever freaksow you belong to.
"...catholicism, a very corrupt sect of Christianity, which teaches that you are to believe what the church(rome) tells you to and are not allowed to interpret the bible yourself."
And where in this video are the children allowed to ask questions about what they are seeing, and are free to interpret the world using their own power of reason?
Or are they just being trained like a pack of obedient dogs to a single viewpoint?
I know that Catholicism is not perfect especially when you consider the filthy priests that are unable to keep their hands to themselves but if you think your branch of Christianity is flawless think again what ever branch it is REMEMBER if it was not for Catholics there would be no Christianity.
(now wether that is a good or a bad thing I don't know?)
What do I know? Nothing, and presume I am the ultimate short of my Creator, who I will never understand as long as I'm mortal. On the other hand, ya'll make some interesting arguments.
Merkin, Consider your heart instead of your brain. We all lack understanding, but our hearts can help correct our course.
Funnkazzy, You also seem pretty strong in your beliefs. By the way, God, came as a man, so there was no doubt we could relate to Him, and His death. Death, the final frontier, the place we fear, where He was willing to go for all of us. Just in case you haven't read that part.
Merkin, Have you ever wondered how God knows the end,...from the beginning?
"In the beginning I speak it, and My Word always accomplishes that which it is sent forth to do."
We can do the same. Example, I speak well over my child, he becomes same.
If I speak bad over my child, he becomes what I speak. His only hope is to meet someone that will finally speak well over him. He will run to that person.
There is nothing discovered that was not already there! There are many things that can be used to imply there is no God. There are many things that point to His existance.
The convergence of the two must be inevitable because both, are here. Our lack of understanding, which goes beyond just knowledge, keeps the two separate. Dino's and evidence of time exists, history and evidence of God do also. Our feable attempts to disprove One or the other illustrates shortsidedness on the part of all.
Now some observable, empirical evidence of God would probably end the argument for ever. PLEEEEASE show me some.
Oh. Wait.
There is none.
Evolutionary theory offers much more but admits it is incomplete and continues to ask questions.
That's the main difference between it and creationism which assumes the bible is the little pocket book of answers. All packaged up for the unthinking masses.
'He' disappointed me when control freak fuckwits took it upon themselves to make him up in an effort to manage the masses and make independent thought something frowned upon
These same human animals then compounded the problem by writing fairytales about him in a book which many idiots still regard as truth in the face of all sense and reason.
In fact God doesn't disappoint at all.
This is because he doesn't exist.
Humans disappoint (themselves and each other) but need blind faith to help themselves feel better about this fact.
Why can't you think - for example God created the world in 7 days well to God one day could be millions and billions of years how would you have explained the concept of a billion years to someone 2000 years ago you couldn't (just like how could you explain personal computers and the internet 100 years ago it would be impossible) When you claim that earth is only 10000 years old you lose any credence with someone who believes in science, carbon dating and dinosaurs.
The problem with Christianity is that the teachers are worthless and don't know crap and that is why this video looks so bad. Two gay guys trying to be preachers, please. Just think to yourself, Do you really think its all over when we die, hell no its been going on forever and will keep going on forever. Too many people in this world are "Know-It-Alls". When people say god spoke to them or touched them do you just assume they ALL are crazy in the head. Too many people have been "touched" for them all to be crazy, maybe a little weird but not crazy.
I suppose we could always pass a law that restricts their freedom of religion and speech. We could only allow Government approved churches and make it illegal to teach anything but Government approved text books. We can let the Government tell us what we need to know, after all they only want what is best for us.
Or we can let these kids grow up in a free country where there is freedom of ideas and differing veiw points, right or wrong, and as they grow they can choose for themselves what to believe. My prediction is that most, if not all, of these kids will eventually question what they have been taught.
Like onlyhuman said, there is this country called America where certain freedoms exist. Obviously, this includes the freedom to be stupid.
Sure, it may sound absurd to home-school your kids because you're afraid that public schools will "corrupt" them and teach them the theory of evolution. But it's also wrong to NOT let people do this. Although this particular group of home-schooled kids are taught distortions of reality, no government should be able to stop it. If this group of people had been publicly funded, that's an entirely different story.
Like the curator said, these kids will probably question or even dismiss what they have been taught. Only time will tell.
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800 x 7 is 5600, not "around 1000". This goes to show the quality of education these kids are receiving. Have fun being stupid! After all, it is a right!
If some "group" makes the decision to separate its beliefs, morals, and all other forms of living from the greater society in which it lives; then that group should not be surprised that the society in which it exists does not approve its teachings.
If you don't want to be invited to the party, and have asked not to be invited to the party, then don't act surprised that you have not been invited, and are unwelcome.
The guy only had one thing to say that made sense to me. He "chooses" to believe what he wishes, just as others "choose" to believe what they wish.
I just can't help mentioning this though. As he was mockingly showing the kids the "fairytale" of evolution I couldn't believe he would use that word to describe it. If he took a moment to think, the Bible is the most widescale fairytale ever to be told. It is a powerful fairytale, to be sure, but that does not mean all of it should be categorically accepted.
Fiddle1172, you made some great points. I can accept that there was once a man who walked among us, a special man, with many followers, who was a teacher of great worth. This man became powerful, and incurred the wrath of others who didn't agree with him. Stories and legends were started, and grew over the years. Following the words of Jesus would do no one any harm. Love thy neighbor. Nothing wrong with that. His message was treat others with respect and love. How did that all turn so bad? Millions of people suffering and dying in the name of "Jesus".
Can anyone tell me, if there was a God, this is what he would want? He would allow it? It is said, he gave us a choice, yet he controls all. Which is it?
He does not care what colour you are
provided you work for him;
he does not care how much you earn
provided youn earn more for him;
he does not care who lives in the room at the top
provided he owns the building;
he will let you say whatever you like against him
provided you do not act against him;
he sings the praises of humanity
but knows machines cost more than men;
bargain with him he laughs and beats you at it;
challange him
and he kills;
sooner than lose the things he owns
he will destroy the world.
repeat after me, god is the answer to all the problems in the world, he been doing so well to date;
the worse invention of man, that there is a supreme being; a cop-out for all of our failures;
god told the us to drop THE bomb, god told hitler to kill all the jews, god to bush to f*k cheney, so on and so fourth!
To Randalflagg: Yes, I believe in a creator. Do I understand everything about creation, NO. That should allow me to fit in with everyone in this conversation.
My ? is How is it so many of you are compelled to call people names while trying to make your point?
Proof of God? Clouds. At eight lbs per gallon, water floats along, enough water to cause the floods we are seeing in the news, for instance. Proof of God, ask any father of a newborn, as he holds him for the first time. PoG, there is a mountain in Saudi Arabia called Jabal Al Laws. The top is burnt black, the Saudi government has it fenced off as an Archialogical site. There are many features at the site that are specifically identified in the OT of the Bible. I have seen it. The mountain is Granite not volcanic. It is the real Mt. Sinai. Yes where Moses met with God.
POG, 27 years ago my life was changed. I was about to be murdered by my "buds" (fellow smugglers). Over heard them planning my assassination. My escape was nothing I could have ever planned. I did think of killing all of them, but that would have been my plan. God's plan was different. After my escape, a short time later, my dad introduced me to a black (Christian) friend of his. He told me stuff I needed to hear. A week later same guy intro'd me to a cute little gal. 5 months later I got married for the first time. That was 26 years ago.
I have a successful business (24 yrs), I have studied the bible, My wife and I have taught marriage principles in Russia, to young pastors. The 15 year old son I inherited is now a 40 year old Lt. Col pilot, in the Marine Corp, stationed at the Pentagon. A Godly young man that also serves his community through church. The wonderful 11 year old daughter I inherited is a beautiful person, married to a very successful Christian recording artist.
Proof of God? I'm not dead in some woods somewhere. When I talk with God He sometimes answers me. Often He brings an answer by reminding me of a verse. Proof of God? Once I got rid of my "stinkin thinkin" and read how God thinks, and tried to act on what I learned, my life changed for the better. Proof of God? He knows many of you are angry and disappointed. He is using me right now to assure you that He knows and loves you and is willing to reach out to you. He says, "You can stay angry or you can learn how much He loves you and how valuable you are to Him and have a better life". Proof of God, I have come to know how much I don't know. That's nobodies fault but my own. So I have learned to seek understanding. Not just knowledge. Check out Proverbs 8:14. %u201CCounsel is mine and sound wisdom; I am understanding, power is mine."
Proof of God? Life is good, even when there is trouble.
boy are you in for a surprise!
water doesn't float in clouds, it's a gas, that's science.
So you think people lived to be 800-1000 yrs old?
I lost a child, was that's gods work? the 4 kids and 8 grandkids I have are by my body not some supreme being.
"live is good" that's your proof? you have NO proof, none, nano, blame everything on sin, what a bunch of crap.
Congratulations on your turnaround from being a bad person to a functioning and caring part of the society.
The next step would be to get rid of the religious delusions. Of course your life gets better if you have a positive outlook and do constructive work and are part of the community. No gods involved there, just being a social human being.
The stuff you write about sites described in the bible is just more circular reasoning. Of course some of the things described in the bible did exist and things happened. There are other historical sources that support some of it. Though other stuff is just made up and overhyped.
Yikes! - Your Christian Science really is something to behold.
"...Proof of God? Clouds. At eight lbs per gallon, water floats along, enough water to cause the floods we are seeing in the news..."
If you understood science as well as those who pro port to understand God's plan for His creations, then you would not type such nonsense.
Liquid water weighs 8.34 Lbs/Gal, and clouds are composed of water vapor and other atmospheric grasses in suspension. That's why no one has ever been crushed by a cloud.
If this is the level of reasoning and understanding of (this very simple) aspect of science among the followers of the bible, then how can anything they say against evolution and geology, and all the other sciences have any relevance of any kind?
It is an igneous rock which normally forms as a result of molten magma intruding through other rock formations
In easy terms, it's usually the result of some form of tectonic and or volcanic activity. It comes in various colors too. Black being one of them
SOME of the stuff in the bible happened for sure. Stuff may well have happened at the site of this mountain that gained sufficient notoriety to be added to the bible. This in NO way makes for proof of God
The creationist element of the bible is absolute twaddle in scientific terms.
Your beliefs are your own business and I defend the right of anyone to adhere to whatever belief system gives them sustenance and inner strength.
But that is not quite the same thing as accepting a mish mash of creationist gibberish which has a political agenda and sociological subtext.
I become almost apoplectic when I read and hear some of the utter nonsense that is spouted on this topic.
Heil Skvirrel!
better said than I could come up with.
My dad died in WWII, a vet during that time said, " I guess god saved me", my question is, "so god wanted my dad dead?"
All of the utterances of God's word have been uttered by men, and thus all of God's words are to the service of those men who utter those words, and not to a Gods will.
It implies that God who is omnipotent, is on every level impotent.
To me it's plain and simple: Religion was created to "Put the fear of God into people", to control the masses. Simple people in simple times believed the whole "Hell" concept. The churches were and still are huge land owners, so instead of working their fingers to the bone it was easier to live off the working population....this is how modern government "evolved". People today aren't falling for it anymore because our way of thinking has changed.
Very well said, that's exactly how i feel. The bible is just a really long story that someone or some group came up with to give people something to believe in and to keep order. I will believe that until I'm shown good reason to believe otherwise.
Velcome to ze Church of ze Great Skvirrel!
Genuflect before his awesome bushiness. Vith His help, ve can live forever!
Gott in Himmel, zis schnapps is stronger zan I remember. Now I am hafing doubts. Is zere truly ein Skvirrel? Und is He Great? Is Technoviking really ein reincarnation of ze Mighty Rodent?
If ze Skvirrel truly created ze vorld und ze heavens, vy are ve not all skvirrels? Und vy do some people not like nuts? Vy do ve not sleep all vinter?
I must go into deep meditation und wrestle vith zese kvestions.
When I ask the Great Squirrel for rain, then he will honor my request with rain. Perhaps not at the time of my choosing, but it will eventually rain, so I know that there is a Great Squirrel, and His law is the only Law.
SQU 1:23:14 "I can't believe I created the whole thing."
OK Guys, IF,... God exists,.... then the father who died, if he believed, is not just worm food. He is happier now. Do you miss him? Of course. what if he had out lived you? Would he have been grieved, of course. That is why death was the only price God could pay that we would identify with. This world is not the final reward. Eternity is. God never loses. Your dad is probably just fine. If you have believed in Jesus as your savior, you will see your dad again. I think he would like that. Don't let the thankful comment of an individual be the source of your bitterness any longer. Your fathers sacrifice was so you could be happy. The Word say's there will be evil in the world. Many understand, your dad was fighting an evil force. Evil wants you to hate God or not believe in Him, or even more, believe in some other doctrine that promotes God as a mith. Why? Because you are created in His image. God can not be destroyed, except in your heart. Then you are destroyed also. Being miserable can be hell on earth.
One can detest the governments but the word says to submit as they are put in authority by God.
To A...face: You are right there is gibberish out there on creationism, there is also science on creationism. Just don't think for a minute that the evolutionists don't have an agenda also. NO GOD is their agenda. The fact is, evolution by it's very nature will have nothing to do with us in our lifetimes, EXCEPT, suggest there is no God, which it could never prove anyway. Ultimately one can always neutralize the tic-tac-toe game with the question, " Well then where did that come from?" and so on.
I am curious as to how many evolutionists are first and foremost, unbelievers in God? And has evolution simply been the vehicle that seems most likely to be able to "prove" HE doesn't exist! And then what? There is no God, so lets do what ever the hell we want and F*&%#k the rest of ya!
Right............
Life today is more important than trying to prove or disprove either evolution or God's existance. Only o
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