You have to have testicles to participate? In case you haven't noticed, I've had a few FIRST posts. So if you gotta have balls to play, then I don't wanna play anymore! ;)
You can keep both randal. I appreciate the offer. I'll just have to stick with second post.... * wipes a tear *
BTW... what did you mean by changing the reservation for Technoviking? I do hope that your realization of me being a girl doesn't mean you're taking someone else.
Sorry JM,! I changed the one room for two! Can't come off looking cheap you know! And why in the world would i trade up partners! who else would Get the thrill chills and thrills shits and giggles when Technoviking points at us and orders us around belittling us at any given moment??! NO ONE that who!! :)))
WHEW!!! I was ready to throw my green and red socks and my fanny pack in the trash! Well then this makes up for not being able to compete for first post...
HEREYE HEREYE FROM THIS POINT ON ALL GLUMBERTERS ARE HERE-BY ENTERD IN THE CONTEST. NO SIGN UP NEEDED, WHEN IT STARTS I SHALL KEEP TRACK OF ALL FIRST POSTINGS.
Yeah, pretty stupid stuff. And they did not only manage to get a couple clowns on stage to perform this, they also seem to have gotten more clowns in the audience to applaud them. Strange...
Interpretation, here we go:
The guy from Polyphonic Spree is trying to teach a girl to swing dance to over-polished, Nashville-produced Christian music.
Enrique Iglesias enters eating a flower and tries to woo her away from him.
Then 50 cent shows up with money. No match for the power of cash, Enrique must stand aside.
Then Tara Reid or Britney Spears show up and of course want to party. And who do they invite? The guy from scream and one of the chicks from America's Next Top Model. The party gets a little out of hand, there's some gun play and the girl develops Parkinson's. (notice the shaking)
Then a fight ensues.
So, Polyphonic Spree guy jumps in, saves the day, and escorts his little lady home.
I've been in one of those skits years ago when I was doing a missionary thing (I like to do humanitarian stuff like feed the poor and all that jazz, but the majority of the institutions that allow for that are Christian).
Anyway, long story short, one time we had a bunch of homeless crazies break out into a huge fight causing the skit to end. then another time one of the kids in our groups had a psychotic break and thought the devil was attacking him.
To quote anonymous..."but the majority of the institutions that allow for that (humanitarian stuff) are Christian).
Doubt very seriously that Randall et al will see the deep irony here. As surferbum accurate portrays a common theme, lets here more funny stories of the Bible thmpin' Christians who are (by admission) feeding the hungry and all that jazz...because their silly ol religion tells them to.
That is to funny!! Popeyed up there almost word for word described you and your ideas as I did two threads back! Hmm..coincidence !? I think not. Its who you are !Thats the person everyone sees, and that what your all about.. LOLOL!!
Streamlined, my comment was made in no way to offend evangelicals. I was simply observing that Anon's quote is an interesting one.
Anon probably has lots of stories he could tell us. Nevertheless, my comments are usually sarcastic, you'll have to excuse me on those terms.
Anon is in the first place wrong that there are very few non-Christian NGOs that contribute humanitarian aid. There are several if you think about it, UNICEF, the Red Cross in times of disaster. I could go on all day, just do a google search and you shall find.
What does my God do, streamlined? Well, a lot of things. Chances are we have the same conception of God.
MY POINT IS..
Me and Randall are laughing at this video! I mean, geez...it's lame! And thereby funny!! If it converts more Christians then more power to them. They just need to hire some better actors or something.
You follow me around like you have a crush on me!, I'm flattered for sure! But please! You really must stop.
Oh..And Thanks for your deep insight!
You need to lighten dar up Quasimodo ! lol
Few of us are laughing it up! No real need for you to play pretend smart.
I know you have a sense of humor,,not much but its there. Try working on that instead of following me around hoping you may get lucky. Homey don't play that!
BTW, Don't give a care about any little religious club you may or may not belong to.
Perhaps we should all resent your haughty imputation madam. Swine indeed! Not ridicule though, merely well-justified criticism. How shall we put this... Your religious clip might be quite aptly described as mindless, insipid, boring, sleep inducing, dull, mundane, jejune, droll, vapid, uninspiring, banal, time wasting, dull as ditchwater... Get the drift? In other words, Glumbert is is not a fit forum for your puerile propaganda.
That is to funny!! Popeyed up there almost word for word described you and your ideas as I did two threads back! Hmm..coincidence !? I think not. Its who you are !Thats the person everyone sees, and that what your all about.. LOLOL!!
Ah, the ever present debate and lack of tolerence so eliquently displayed on Gulmbert. I have to admit that I'm not sure if this video was posted simply for ridicule as streamlined suggests, though ridicule was innevitable. Not because I think it deserves ridicule, but because no matter where you go, there are always people who have a beef with Christianity (and alot of the time they have a reason to be, so I'm not judging anyone here). However, the most common reason people have a beef with the Christianity is that they have somehow been turned off by some kind of intolerance that they have witnessed, by people who practice the religion (again, even as a Christian, that would turn me off as well and it has in the past). It's completely OK if you feel that this clip is "mindless, insipid, boring, sleep inducing, dull, mundane, jejune, droll, vapid, uninspiring, banal, time wasting, dull as ditchwater", because it obviously has no meaning for you and it's simply not something you enjoy watching. However, to say that "Glumbert is is not a fit forum for your puerile propaganda" is a bit extreme. There are a lot of videos that I find boring, or don't agree with the ideas expressed in them, but I don't view myself so highly to label videos as being propaganda according to my standards (don't get me wrong, I do see how this video could be seen as propaganda...it has to do with the motive behind it, so I'm still on the fence about that one) or to say it has no place on a website that is not ruled by what MY opinion is. You're displaying the same intolerance that Christians get accused of so often. Like I said before, you completely have the right to dislike the video and the ideas portrayed in it, but you can simply turn it off, or not watch it again, but you don't need to insult people and their ideas. And I do realize that stream cast out the first isult, which is also unacceptable, but I think I once heard someone say something about two wrongs not making a right....something like that.
Now, what I think of the video...I have to admit I found it a bit cheesy. I mean, I get the message and I remember being a part of similar things as a teenager, but as someone who has broadened my horizons within the Christian faith, the whole "you're so bad if you drink, etc." kind of idea is a bit old fashioned for me. But hey, everyone on the video seemed to enjoy it and I remember enjoying it when I was younger as well, so really, to each their own.
As for the "ridicule" on this video, I don't really think it's been that bad! It's mostly been in good fun. I practically peed myself at alotlikeyou's interpretation, good show! And I have to say, if a religion is going to come up with "propoganda", they should come up with something a bit less tacky. O well, propoganda usually is tacky though isn't it.....
Stream - So are you saying that no one here is intelligent enough for a relationship with God, except for you? I think you have over reacted here, because if this is the best example of Christian activity then it deserves ridicule.
Although I give this video a D minus, it is mostly unproductive for people Christian or otherwise to defend this as Christian values. It might be a form of entertainment, and the message is sadly incomplete. So incomplete that I am surprised that you are stepping up to defend it.
What annoys and drives people away from religion is the arrogance and elitist attitudes that the followers have, or don't you understand this? I think you alone have probably convinced many who read Glumbert that Christianity is a bad thing. Is not the idea of Christianity to bring peace and understanding, and acceptance to a all of mankind via a relationship with God?
Christians would be better off keeping their beliefs to themselves and living those beliefs through actions.
Divine Thank you for your... well...level headed comment. I see nothing wrong w/ this production of interpretive dance that these kids are doing. They are kids and this ain't broadway! Yes glumbert should post this as well as any other video they feel like posting !!!
I never put the video down, just was having fun w/ locals. Any one cares to read my short banter above that will confirm that.
If I thought it warranted it ,believe me I would have!!
What I was agreeing to was Poppeyed comments directed at the origin of this thread, You referred to him as stream , most of us here now him as chumm.
This fellow is the bane and a few more like him are the bane of christen brotherhood,sorry to say!
If you would like to know some of who are giving Christianity a black eye?! Well you need only to look up a bit and read his comment. And when your done go to some other clips and read there as well!(if you care to that is) Chumm is to Christianity as Hamas or Al Qaeda is to the Muslim faith!! Don't take my word for it ! just wait, Watch and read what( Chumm n Stream, one in the same) write! And once again thank you for the comment it was good to read.
Now for Pod! Thank you for once again trying to explain to this lost one that his direction on this site is twisted and full of bile. What little good it will do, its nice of you to try just the same.
and for your efforts i will wish you a non egging of you house or tp/ing of your trees then perhaps to avoid the bag on fire at your door step /w the dog poop inside on this upcoming holiday of these sorts of shenanigans!!
Yes I remember them well LOLOLOL as you do I'm sure!
Actually, Podman, Christians are rather humble. It's the anti-Christians who are vile, vitriolic and hate-filled, and arrogant, elitist etc. Just go back and check out your mate's Canuck's, comments about religion on almost any site. Some Christians, and I like the way Streamline handles this, are just tired of taking it laying down. Christian faith teaches us that God loves us all equally, which gives you more hope than I do, personally. The fact that you are unable to see true elitism and arrogance, while complaining about the only people who actually give a shit about your lot in life, me, Stream, George Bush,Christians, while circle-jerking with a bunch of hate-mongers, tells me you are either almost as stupid a RF or accusing us of your own conspiracy so as not to be found out. One comment for Popeye: Dixit Inspiens, even though it is a puerile piece.
All in all Christians have an easier time making fun of themselves than anti-religionists...just like they have more fun having sex....which surveys say, they have more often...and (get this RF) without hooved animals being involved. Maybe you should consider the benefits package before cussing us. No more hate, no more bile...but I forgot, no more showing your ass. Divine, you're missing the core values of this bunch...they use the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Church of England (which I especially dislike myself ands blame for many of America's political and religious problem), and TV-evangelists, even poor little 6 year olds (go back a few vids) as cover for some very primal hatreds. They just don't like being told what to do, and they don't like being judged...in the hopes they can avoid it in the end. On that account one of us is right and one of us is wrong, 100%, but only one of us can afford to be wrong. If I'm wrong, then all I've lost is being nice all my life (not to mention very good sex). If you're wrong, just count all the things you've lost, just so you can show your ass and bitch about the cards. they DEALT THEMSELVES. They claim a sort of atheism, but the logic behind their words indicates they really just don't approve of God, a typical childish teat-fit reaction of a 10-year old who doesn't like the way the world works. On Glumbert, like Never-never land, they've found a place they can stay young forever...until mean old Streamline came along. Bless it! In a few years they'll find out they can't vote God out of existence and some will find their way back. If you light candles, light one for this crew...in the meantime I've got them by the ass and I ain't gonna let go...especially RF now that i know he's printed us on his underwear. Cheers Girls
Thanks for the comments...
Couple general points to be made before individual responses:
First, my initial comments were directed at other comments not the video itself. As seen from what followed, the pearls before swine was a bullseye and has nothing to to with arrogance. (Get to that in a moment.)
When was the last time Glumbert put a Christian oriented video up that was NOT for ridicule? Looking at the vast majority of comments on previous threads, Glumbert could be said to be a haven of anti-Christian thought and even bigotry. In fact, by the direction many have taken, if it is remotely Christian, then it must be zealotry, ignorant and/or backward. (This, of course, does not apply to all nor should it be taken that way.) I know many would argue that they are above all of that by having an intellectual beef with religion at large, because they are all the same. Fine. But, that is over-the-top laziness.
The players in the above "drama" know their audience...primarily teens. Those of you who see this vid as juvenile are correct. That's because it is directed at juveniles. Go figure.
Now, to Randall: You are by far the easiest target for fun on Glumbert. And I think I have fallen deeply in love with your dry wit, keen insight and spelling.
That is why I am stalking you, RF. : P
Actually, I just read the rest of your absurdicum. You still think I have an alias. (Goodness, RF. I am at a loss.) Then you compared chumm (Thinking he me) to Hamas. Honestly, Randall, if there is an adult thought in your head that isn't overly bigoted, utter it.
Popeyed: Please look up the words you descriptively applied to the video. Glumbert is a fine forum for discussion of ideas...if you can't handle it...
Divine: Great post. I do disagree that I cast out an insult, if you are referencing the pearls note. From the responses to Christians leveled by some here, it is entirely appropriate. (That is also the impetus for the original quote in the Bible)That is why I say Glumbert posted the vid for ridicule, not just entertainment...the idea was to perpetuate a picture of Christians that some here already have. The person recording the piece was most likely not doing it so that it could wind up on Glumbert, nor were the players performing it...pearls before swine is dead on.
Pods: As usual, you miss the entire point of my post. (Read above.)
Why is it unproductive, Pods, given that it is for juveniles and caters to that mindset? What is incomplete about it? (Jesus enters someone's life---Brings Joy and appreciation---person grows older and gets experience in the world---Leaves Jesus for a time---wants to return to Him and then is protected by Him.)
I agree that as His representative I have fallen short...this time it is not arrogance on my part, but willing ignorance on yours. Again.
"Christians would be better off keeping their beliefs to themselves..."
Why would Christians be any different that you, Pods, when it comes to their beliefs? I don't think you should keep yours to yourself. Quite the opposite. You should have them out on the table.
BTW, if I keep my beliefs to myself, I disobey Jesus...the author of those beliefs.
This is not hate and arrogance?: "The fact that you are unable to see true elitism and arrogance, while complaining about the only people who actually give a shit about your lot in life, me, Stream, George Bush,Christians, while circle-jerking with a bunch of hate-mongers, tells me you are either almost as stupid a RF or accusing us of your own conspiracy so as not to be found out.
The Gods of Chum are not trying hard enough to ignore me as promised.
You know nothing of me, or my beliefs, regardless of your note pads. Get a grip, I was trying to engage Stream in civilized discourse on a very important subject, and did not address you at all!
Stream - I did understand your pearls before swine comment as you are well aware. I was attempting to address the bigger concern that all religious groups are having in the world today, and the tendency that these groups have to self segregate from the secular world through a dialog that causes division and overt rejection. This path is non-productive, because it works against the compassion and peace. I'm not a religious scholar, but I don't think Jesus would not approve of many of the things that are being done in His or His fathers name.
Stream, I will not call you Ignorant on the discussion of religion, as you have done so to me. You have abbreviated my words, and missed the point I was trying to make about the difference between vile words and constructive actions. All of these words are next to useless, but actions taken throughout a individuals life will always be of more value, agreed?
Stream I was not goading you into a discussion of your personal faith, but on the actions and words of religion in whole. If you misunderstood this, then I apologize. I have never questioned your faith, and you know this, just aspects of your religion that cause conflict with the secular world. If these conflicts can be moderated to a point of symbiosis, then everyone can benefit.
If the worlds religions cannot temper their rhetoric to a more tolerant direction, then we will all suffer the outcome of the conflicts.
LOLOLOL!!! Chumm! Calling yourself Stream! mustn't reply to you now! Your developing a fatalist attraction to me and its beginning to Creep me out!
Stream! Calling yourself Chumm! Do you understand people are going to read what you just posted?! Is it possible you are getting dumber by the day? Must be!
So What your saying Is........ You,GWB and you calling yourself stream are the only ones who care about our lots in life?!
You truly are an idiot! :) You have so much in common w/ Hamas , Al Qaeda and all the other extremist groups that its becoming a bit to easy for all here to see! Please keep it up!,You are ever so amusing.
Stream - Oops I forgot to answer your question. It is incomplete, as you know, because it attempts to frame the immense subject of Faith and Redemption, into a tiny video. I am aware that this is just a simple video, but I have always believed that if a subject is complex, it deserves to be treated as complex. No dismissals, or trivializations, but taken head on with the truth as a guide.
In short this video is to faith and redemption, as a commercial for popcorn is to global economics.
Yeah, but you're a chronic whiner, Pod. I can't help but get in a little tough love when the opportunity arises. By the by, if you haven't noticed, this is an open forum. You built the zoo and the monkey cage...I'm just the guy watching and poking a little fun from time to time.
RF thinks Christians are mean-spirited when they ask him not to masturbate in public, which is about all he does on this site. I can't judge people like you do folks do, it's not within my jurisdiction. I only judge actions and things. I can guess, however, as can most of the other viewers to this site, many of whom do not comment. They just read. Even the most protected little naifs know a circle-jerk when they see one.
Why are my opinions and writing devalued to whining. All the the Gods of Chum churn out is hate, and mockery of opinions of which they disagree. No engagement of the actual subject, just hate filled attacks. As stated above.
I do not have to justify or present myself for your Godly judgment, as I have stated before. This is a open forum, and I will continue to engage others on important topics, and you can continue to dish out the hate as you do so well!
You and Stream can go at it. You just don't get the privilege of using this new clean site as a new clean slate...I'll carry all your old baggage forward, which in the past has been vile, hate-filled and mockery-filled, especially for Christians, and for that matter, Americans who don't agree with you, or worse, people who respect truth. (You made you own bed) But I agree, from the threads you and Stream have a few points to straighten out, so go to it. We all three may learn something. I'll just watch. Cheers
Chumm/stream ! you are your own song, you are your own executioner! Never have I wrote Christens as being mean spirited , only you and your sisters! By your own words you condemn others as being hate monger who you yourself are #1 offender of!!! In your post you contradict most all that you state!
Pod explained it to you already AAAAAhh.... Forget it!! Your simply a Moron!, tool and thats all!
Randal - You have a point there. I don't think I can have a civilized discourse with anybody on this site without the Chum inserting their never ending hate comments. They always stop any meaningful the discussion before it even gets started.
Sorry, Stream I'm not into reading all of the Gods of Chum hate comments that would be generated by any meaningful dialog. I apologize for attempting to engage you in a discussion that will generate so many hateful comments from the Chum group. It seems the party is always spoiled by that one crazy guest.
So, for this reason I will disengage you on this subject. I apologize, for my assumption that civil discourse could be carried out in this forum. Perhaps no discussion can be done except on some trivial video.
Your gonna WHAT ?? Cump .you silly little twat lolol!! Your going to carry all his old baggage up front.......YOU ARE SO PATHETICALLY STUPID IT BOGGLES ONES MIND!!!!! It serves well that no one has to do that for you since all your hate and vile filled bull shit is everywhere you go! Cause face it!,,, you can never escape yourself now can you !!
That's too bad, you could have improved my opinion of you, as of all the monkey cage, you may be the only one with something to say. You're showing yourself to be as small-minded (with a real small "s") as RF. "Vile talk" to you is anybody who calls you down for vile talk, hence the "whiney" tag. Just go back a few weeks and log all your comments...not to me or Stream, but just among yourselves during circle-jerk time. Log all the times you gratuitously made ugly remarks about people you don't even know. And then count all the hateful things you've said about people like Bush, Cheney, all based on "facts" you couldn't prove if your life depended on it. You had to swallow someone else's line, hook-line and sinker, which makes you just a "useful idiot", spewing someone else's bilge, that Stream called you weeks ago. I came on this site because, other than a couple of idiot Canadians trying to give lesson in US law, was to "out" hate-mongering, and yessir, since I've seen and done more than you ever will, I can dish it out pretty good. I'm glad you noticed. ...but I don't do it gratuitously. You earned every bit of it. I've never heard you say much about anything other than what you hate, which is a nihilism I despise...and it based in part for feeling sorry for oneself. (Sorry, that's in the textbooks.) Like RF from time to time you want to step out of character and be taken seriously. He couldn't pull it off is his life depended on it. But maybe you can. If you have something to say, go ahead. Or you can go pout. I wasn't part of the original conversation, but I do recommend you go back and check all the "fuck off's and other love-filled comments you made for no particular reason against no-particular victims before charging off into the night claiming hate-speech just because you got outed. Good luck
Oh, Randall, we had a bet here that you really could/couldn't spell. I won a sawbuck. Thanks for always being there for me buddy. See how we can change behavior just by hanging around?
Not at all. You are the 'group who is proving yourselves'. I need the proof. I will not dance to your tune and it's eating you up. I have supplied the evidence that you are a possible terrorist group, based on your own writings.
I can move the baggage forward as well...
And as for who is hated and who is liked, let's have a poll on that as well.
When I cry, a good poll always makes me feel better too. Actually there is a sort-of poll already being conducted out there, not by our group, but about the vid sites, such as Glumbert and eBaum. It's a sociological study..I don't know who pays for it, but we do get some of the numbers, such as number of people turned off by you guys (you haven't really been here that long). Maybe Glumbert's paying for it, and maybe they're paying attention to content rather than just counting cash from ads. But a serious sociologist is working on it. Won't it be interesting to see you screen-names all mentioned in a sociology study never knowing you gave up your right of privacy (sort of) by coming here in the first place? And you're all bitching at Bush for the surveillance program (which Clinton instituted in the 90's, by the way). Ha! Great fun in the monkey cage tonite.
chum 2 noun chopped fish, fish fluids, and other material thrown overboard as angling bait. • refuse from fish, esp. that remaining after expressing oil. verb [ intrans. ] use chum as bait when fishing. ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: of unknown origin.
Stream - I realize that you did not intend for your "pearls/swine" comment to be an insult, my point was more to the effect that people could definitely see it as insulting and could be viewed as a bit overly defensive. I completely understand where your comment came from, as the thought most definitely went through my mind as well, however I was simply empathizing with the "other side" (I use this term not to mean "the evil non-believers"...hahaha..., I simply mean people coming from a different viewpoint) and how some might interpret the comment.
Look, I could suggest that judge not, etc. But then (being judgmental myself, on this occasion) I'd guess you're too wrapped up in pushing your personal fervor down our collective necks to be concerned that you're anything but always right in everything you say and do. In particular though, I'm personally not a swine (you pompous jerk), and despite your aspersions I see nothing in this doleful performance that could (in my opinion; and that's what this space is for) be even remotely construed as the casting of peals... So, let's leave it there, shall we?
Popeye...given your response, the pearls comment remains accurate. Let's leave it there, shall we?
Thanks, Divine...appreciated and well stated. Peace
Pods...I have only a moment and will only addess one thing as there is more to come: I think you confuse complexity with difficulty. When you say the skit is incomplete because it addresses a complex thing such as Faith...I must point out that (a) that is the point of a skit like that, to succinctly illustrate something bigger and (b) Faith is not complex, only difficult. (Getting my athletes to do 40-50-60 push ups is not complex, just difficult.) Submission to Jesus' will may be a long difficult road, but I assure you that once there, you will never look back at a complex route...only a self imposed difficult one.
Maybe time for one more...it is a point of Christinity to draw line between itself and the secular world. We are not called (I beleive for practical reasons) to be a part of that world. In point of fact, it is just the opposite...to be apart from that world while living in it. I have to draw distinctions. If those in the secular world don't like it...tough. If they don't agree with it...engage in discourse. But viewing this separation as problematic is not something I agree. Please re-read Matthew 7:6 and what is being admonished.
It continues to be a very good analogy.
More later, P
Peace
Chum - stick that up yer sociological study you pompous little twat
Due to Streams incessant and monotone moanings about how badly done by the Christan religion is I couldn;t be bothered to get involved in this thread until I saw you claiming some kind of validation for your existence on Glumbert...ohhh boy LOL
A sociological study...?
Giving up rights to privacy about screen names...?
SCREEN names!
I'm quaking in fear at the prospect of screen names being mentioned. Personal worlds will come crashing down as people around the world see screen names and by some bizarre process of mental osmosis link them automatically to people in the real world. Holy crap!
You're a perfect example of walking knob-rot
LOL
No doubt this vid was originally made in all innocence. Perhaps by someone involved in the faith.
They obviously then took a second look at just how screwed up it all appears when viewed dispassionately and realised that ridicule on Glumbert was the way forward for this clip. Both you and Stream rose to it like ikkle-bitty Brookies to a perfectly placed Adams.
When's the article due to be published?
I can't wait. Am sure it will be of great importance to the world
You tit.
(Now to re-read Chums posts and piss myself with laughter again!)
Oh...my...fuckin...gawd...the idiocy... OH the idiocy
My little Funky Gibbon - we really are here just to show you how...
Mako Since you brought it up. Sorry to Say!, Thoe I'm afraid I must. I called this a few videos back. Now here it is again!!
Man up captain! I'm expecting an all out attack from the chumm group! An attack so stupid and moronic ,or more to the point. An attack so idiotically contrived most of us here may very well DIE LAUGHING!!
Thats right! DIE LAUGHING!! And let me tell you something soldier! There's no I would rather DIE LAUGHING with then you captain. So the choice is yours,,,FIGHT HERE TODAY , AND YES YOU MAY DIE LAUGHING! OR RUN AWAY AND YOU MAY LIVE! ONLY TO LAY ON YOUR DEATH BED MANY YEARS FROM NOW, CURSING THAT CHOICE,,,,,, FOR THEY MAY TAKE YOUR LIFE !! BUT THEY CAN NEVER TAKE OUR FREEEEEEDOOOOMMMM!!!
Mako...still bent on convincing people you are smart and relevant, huh? Well, Randal the Genius sees your smarts and he even thinks you matter. (All sycophants and sideliners have that quality.)
(Anyone else viewing...watch this...I will challenge Mako's smarts and he will come a-runnin'!)
Mako...do you have something to put forward? This hasn't been a good couple of weeks for the godless or the anti-war children, so I understand if you are feeling a bit, shall I say, humbled.
*Wow! Matched the hatch perfectly...the little brookie rose gently, sipped the size 14 from the surface...count to three... a gentle lift of the rod and we're on...*
Stream, no need or desire to keep proving intelligence as you appear to constantly let people know how intelligent you think I am - I certainly don't do that as I feel it a trifle arrogant. Although many here can claim primacy over making their grey matter work more than you do yours
Relevance is not something Glumbert threads are necessarily known for so again, ok on that count.
Intelligence or relevance are both in shortly supply with you and your posts. Arrogance is not.
Guess you're really looking forward to seeing your name in A.R.S.E's little sociological study? It'll be fun won't it, see ing how much a new earth creationist, anti-abortionist, war-mongering zealot gets his 'christian' view across.
Keep up the pomposity. This is your prime attribute
*Looks at the little brook trout, still a parr. Realises he's been caught several times before but clearly doesn't learn. Oh well, Darwin's theory may sort him out, unless he's lucky...unhooks him and slips him back into the Stream...Maybe, just maybe he'll be in a position to grow up stronger and wiser *
I haven't posted for a while - at least not in this guise. Do you know, I'm fearofflying, chaz, rizamoon and quite a few others.
I like talking to myself.
you sure as hell arent me you sicko pervert. you might be chaz but not rizamoon, though i think shes a guy pretending to be a girl. either way i dont care. maybe your canuck as well? hes an asshole and so are you.
That's right Skid. And not a moment too soon if you ask me, myself included. What the fuck is this all about? Is it for real? Who by all that's holy wants to be saved from having a good time by some pervert dressed up like an Azerbajani freemason who a) can't dance, b) has a disturbing cheesy grin, c) puts his hand on the chick's tit at 75 - stop the tape if you don't believe me - and d) makes me want to vomit my guts into the nearest baptismal font in protest.
GO SOX!!!!
Jeez, what's it gonna take to prove to you guys I'm a girl....I suppose if I acted more ladylike it would convince you....but it's kinda fun getting nasty once in a while in this safe bubble we call Glumbert. But really I'm a girl. Glumbert knows, I sent a picture of myself (albeit a picture of me when I was 25 instead of 36).
Don't worry Riza, not many people think I'm a girl either. The only one that makes a point of saying it is that jackass Rear end Dying. But he/she/it doesn't matter anyway.
Wow. Just read ALL the postings and, holy moley, what heat has been generated by this innocent (albeit amateurish) skit. What heated exchanges...what passionate remarks....what divergent views...what denigrating comments. Sounds like fun to me, so here goes:
Some years ago I attended a high school reunion of my wife's class (I attended a different high school but knew many of my wife's classmates). It was a lighthearted fun affair. After dinner each classmate was invited to comment on happenings since graduation, and each in turn did so...again light, and fun. Until a certain woman rose and carried on for 10 minutes about how she had found Jesus, punctuated by her husband's "amens" here and there. At first she seemed pleasant enough, but as she continued there seemed to develop a certain edge to her voice, a strident, even superior quality to her comments. She never smiled once...in fact the longer she spoke, the more hardened her expression turned. After she finished, the whole event became dimmed, almost sullen.
Then it occured to me that she actually had TWO messages...(1) I HAVE THE ANSWER. (2) YOU DON'T !
It was the second message that turned the event gloomy. Thing is, this was a Catholic school, and the beloved priest who headed it years earlier was an invited guest.
So....what's my point ? Everyone in that room held a religious view, mostly consonent with Catholicism, but certainly not all. This woman somehow felt it necessary to take this opportunity to laud her religious superiority (in her mind) over everyone else's...an insult to everone else, and of which she was clearly oblivious.
That's the dynamic that hurts...not that we believe different ways, but that we demean others' beliefs.
So....I'm not voting as the Podster invites...but Chum and Stream, lay off the proseletyzing and you'll be happier posters. And Chum,the last way to sway anyone toward a religious point of view is to use vulgarities as part of your pitch...just doesn't work, sport.
Randal...neither can I. Game two hasn't been played yet, and Game one is not likely the best basis for predicting. The Podman probably will confirm...we don't celebrate in New England until after the last game is won...lesson #1 for Sox fans, Patriots fans, etc., etc. Just too many times when we've been disappointed over the years.
BTW - I visited the site you, well, cited...good laughs...they are better at hanging our leadership out to dry than most.
"Go Giants" for the NFC. That would be good. There has always been a fan base for the Giants here in NE...I think from the days before there was a pro football team up here. I think.
GO PATRIOTS, on our side of the fence. #Who knows...Superbowl matchup?
Chaz ...I actually have rooted for the Pats as a AFC favorite,! As way back as their trouncing at the hands of the Bears 85? Not sure But it wasn't pretty!
The heroics of blizzard Game against oakland! the dramatic field goal for the AFC championship to the same game winning three pointer in the super bowl. What run of games they were! Those guys are something!
and I will be rooting for them against the colts! Its gonna be a good one.LOL!
As far as those dirty Sox go,, I'm thinking if I do cheer for them perhaps they will lose! LOL:)!
Yeah...me too. But I can't help it. I take walks when things go south, and hope when I get back they have reversed the deal...and sometimes they have. They are a good ballteam....sheesh....never thought we'd make it to the Series.....
....so.....don't cheer tonight....we'll see what happens. (You might miss a good game, tho').
Thanks, Chaz...appreciated
My proselytizing is no different than those on the other side of the table's proselytizing. Religion touches certain nerves...but, what Canuck and Mako et al do is the same.
My frame of reference is just different.
Many people offer their views on religion; Streamy and A.R.S.E just adopt the most pompous, high and narrow minded approaches possible. This makes them easy to bait
Sadly Chaz I doubt much they'll take you up on your suggestion
They like being this way. A few of the posters are just gradually showing them they're wrong in taking this approach (and also often simply in what they say too).
You note a strong desire to blame others rather than magnanimously accept their own faults. Normally something seen in children who don't know better than in adults seemingly wise in the ways and words of the Lord.
They DON'T like this one little bit....
A valiant and nicely worded effort though Chaz, thanks.
Now, I think I'll tie on a gold head pheasant tail....
Streamlined and his fucked-up, inbred, religious, Johnny Reb-posse are at it again. You cretins actually make Fred Phelps and his gang of nutjobs look smart. Haven't the whole lot of you had your hypocritical asses kicked enough? Haven't all of you been exposed enough, for the close-minded, insulated, uneducated, backwoods fucktards that your are? I guess not. Okay fine. Here's some more gems for you and your screwy little Carlysle Group to feast on:
Heeey...its Canuck.
Welcome back, lil buddy. I see you are still using others to make points that you can't articulate. Canuck, do you have a point that isn't (a) someone elses', (b) hypocritical or, (c) unbigoted? If you do, I can't find it. Fortunately, you have Randall the Prostrated for moral support.
Hmmmmm...who's ass got kicked?...and how did it happen?
I haven't had too much time here but the only one with a shiny red bottom is you. (Not a good month to be a Dem, a lefty or a liberal, lil guy...How's that insurgency working, Streamlined? Very well, thank you, US Military. How's that SCHiP plan, Streamlined? Vetoed and sustained, thank you, GWB.)
Well, seems to me that neither your President NOR this spineless Congress has any regard for innocent American children, and instead would quaintly prefer to serve them up with a bill to save their little wretched lives.
If YOU support that kind of barbaric quality in YOUR government, then all the more power to YOU (though I tend to think that majority of Americans tend to reject Bushs view, which of course, would once AGAIN leave YOU and YOUR ilk....in the MINORITY).
Canuck...Better dig more about the insurgency. Violence down 70%, Sunni's and Shi'ites (the goat herding type) puttng their collective feet down on AQIR. Bin Laden throwing a taped whine fest.
Let's pray it continues. Or, it could fail and then your side would be happy.
I love how compassion is measured in gubment programs. "Oh the innocent children! If the Feds don't save them who will?" For the previous 300 years the poor and indegent had the local churches (who still do this sort of thing), local charitable groups, hospitals, etc.
They are not heartless for turning it down... others are just brainless for thinking it a solution.
Oh boy. This is sooooo easy, when it comes to a "Leave It To Beaver"-type like yourself.
"Violence is "down", huh? Which "violence" are you referring to? The violence against U.S. troops....or the "violence" relating to a sectarian civil war? Quote from Yahoo News:
"This year’s U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago".
Do you believe that "violence is down 70%" because your butt-blasting hero, Gen. BETRAYUS, said so? Here....swallow this:
Basically, the violence numbers do NOT include: 1) Sunni on Sunni violence. 2) Shi’a on Shi’a violence 3) Car bombs 4) Getting shot in the front of the head.
And THAT...makes you think that "violence" in Iraq is "down 70%"? Even though 50-100 Iraqis A DAY are being killed? Like...are you really THAT fucking stupid? Maybe you truly are. If DICK Cheney actually told you to perform fellatio on him.....you'd consider it.....wouldn't you? I bet you would.
As for Bin Laden "throwing a taped whine fest".....well, HOW and WHY is he STILL ABLE to do that???? Oh ya! That's right! George gave up on looking for him! Silly me! I forgot. He devoted the bulk of his military to Iraq, and gave up on him; and now he's still making videos, six years after 9/11. Cute. So, like, is there ANYTHING your Republican pals CAN'T fuck up?
And as for the SCHIP program...like I said: in ALL other nations with CIVILIZED GOVERNMENTS....this isn't even an issue. And never would be. You like having a leader who cherishes a "Look Out For No.1" mentality? Fine, Moses. YOU keep that shit (and HIM) on YOUR side of the border.
Savvy?
So much for the "By the People....FOR the people" idea....huh?
I still maintain the Blue States should jettison dregs like you, and join us up here. Leave backwoods hicks like you and your Carlysle Group out in the cold.
OHHHHHHH...Looooook!!!! Condi's got some brains after all! She finally got wise, and decided to go and seek the advice of some COMPETENT and INTELLIGENT Presidents! LOL! :
Canuck giving quotes from the Bibl as advice is like some other idiot I recall trying to tell Americans how the Constitition's supposed to work. Or how Congress is. Oh crap, it's the same idiot!!!! Interesting how a narcissist says we should follow scripture, while he is above it all and can call any yellow-bastard he wants a Yellow-bastard. I was speaking of Asians, Tweedle-Dumbest, not that fellow hiding under the bed with you.
I love you maaaan!
Thank you coporal bigot, for showing your MoveOn colors.
I am glad there are alternate opinions about the current war; keeps us healthy. However, your delight in all things negative and, ergo, your desire for this war to be lost is making me see things a little more like the Chummin guys.
Seriously, the lack of negative reporting from Iraq in the last few weeks is telling. (This is a big picture moment) It is logically fallacious to assume that nonperfection equals failure. But, no one ever lumped you in with the logical.
Why do you believe one news story and not another? (You can answer that if you want, but I know why. Ok...I'll answr it: To cite anything that falls outside your worldview would require you to be secure in yourself enough to accept that you might be wrong. But, we know one thing for sure...you aren't that secure in yourself. Your overwhelming desire to be part of a majority belies that fact. Further, since you will not see nor accept nuance or context...ever...it makes it easy to keep people trapped in the stereotypes you need them to be, in order to maintain your insecurities about yourself. Like how all Christians must be zealots and stupid, all conservatives must be southern good ol' boys, etc.)
It would be horrible if our efforts in Iraq put AQIR out of there, wouldn't it?
By the way, C...every time you talk about our government you show how utterly randalflaggian you are. Did you just say not supporting the SCHiP program somehow undermines "by the people" etc, etc?
Holy illiteracy, Batman! I suppose you got that from reading our Constitution? Yeah, I remember when the founding fathers, in their brilliance, thought the proper role of the Fed gubment was to tax its populace and redistribute that money to its people. That's what they meant by all that. That explains all those welfare programs back then.
It doesn't matter C ! Jesus himself could appear and tell these certain people what the dealio was. He would get the same response anyone here gets when confronting the chosen ones! Fear filled rejection of any ideas but the one they are told to follow!
Great links thoe! What would anyone expect From oral roberts or his son!
They get what they get and I think thats great.
Now if this criminal asks his followers for millions of dollars, cause God will take him for some reason or another for lack of funds. The followers will most likely take second mortgages out on their trailers! God It so sad to see these vultures cleaning the bones of the lower classes.
Yet they seem to eat it right up! I suppose they are the perfect victims, and these skunks know it!
i've just read some of your comments, i agree with some of the stuff you have written, i to believe in god, i use to go to christian meetings, my faith has been tested with the loss of many family members to cancer, but i still believe and have faith but in a more controlled and realistic manner and open minded.
However i'm amazed at your approach, you are letting God down no end, you need to be setting an example to others, but you are not, you are not proving anything, only your own elitism, you both sound condescending to everyone around you, do you think this will turn people towards you ?
Why aren't you more understanding, forgiving, loving towards glumbert people, this is what i was taught to be?
One last thing George Bush and the USA government is wrong wrong wrong, you need to open your eyes again like you did when you became christians or whatever religious group you are part of, this man is a danger
Skids...why address Chummin and myself together?
Please go back and read my posts. What are you addressing and whom?
I am glad you have Faith and kept belief with your losses. I am on the other side of a family member's cancer myself. Testing came from some very intersting directions.
GWB-I'm no fan. All heads of state and men of power have potential danger for anyone they potentially influence. If you are referring to the current was in the middle East, this is an odd time to be bemoaning its success.
Couldn't tell at first if this was a joke or not, But after further review, the play on the field stands! it is not a joke......err.At least not for them! It is however very fu@#ing funny to me.
There are two types of people at any given time. Good and Bad! The same can be said for Christens, Or anyone giving themselves a religious or political title.
My beliefs are quite simple, The man know as Jesus Christ was a great teacher, and had a message! And that was to LOVE your enemy!! Find God within your self!
How hard is it to love our Neighbors let alone our enemies???Virtually impossible! take me for example. At times on this computer I will get so wound up I really want to beat the snot out of some people! And i don't even know them!!!
So love your Enemy has a greater meaning then just throwing words out there. Jesus actually went out amongst his own people, (who at the time were being persecuted By the Romans, and Jews of the Temples and Synagogues.) And taught or tried to teach them to love these men. For most it was not what they wanted to here! They were looking for more of a General type to lead them in fight against DA MAN!!
Yet.. he swayed many to his teachings through(love)and (compassion)!
LOVE and COMPASSION!! I see very little, if I see nought from the people calling themselves the true followers of Christ!(and me back to them as well)
Now I most likely will here back!"How can you take certain things which are written in the new testament and not the rest?! For one is likely dependent on the other!" Not true I say! I take that Which makes sense to me! And brings me to a closer and clearer contact with a God of my understanding!
And I can tell you i don't get that here when I'm arguing w/ the self proclaimed God Squad! But i must admit. I do enjoy it somewhat!
I suppose i just like to back stroke in my spiritual imperfections.:)
Was Jesus God?? In my opinion,,,No! But I believe he had a special contact with God , and how he achieved this was through prayer.
I read the Bible ,,and Have read it through! They are stories ment to be Metaphors,Parables and Analogies only after years and years of rewriting. Now to be read and thought out for the true meaning.
Now I'm sure to be called wrong on all this , And maybe i am!
But in all the years I have been blessed enough to walk this earth Since I came to this new understanding many years back(throwing off the Fire n brimstone teachings imbedded in my Psyche at youth, nine years catholic School, Alter boy, Midnight Mass, Easter......Well you get it!) I have never been happier!
And for those who don't believe in some higher power,, how else can you explain the Red Sox winning, or about to win its second WSC in less then five years??
RF- There are nuts out there and in here. That video does not represent a Christian viewpoint. But, you want it to in order to maintain your distorted view of Christians. Just like hurling words such as zealot at anyone who actually believes what they say and then act on it. That frightens people who straddle the fence.
Have you read all of Jesus' message? He also said he was the Son of God, was there at Creation, etc. That is some serious pickin and choosin, RF. If you are going to trumpet part of His message because of His authority to make it, you had better trumpet the rest of His message for the same reason.
Who were his own people and how were they persecuted by the Romans and Jews?
His love and compassion has been matched by no other, RF. But, he was also provoked to anger when outside the Temple (Brood of vipers, comes to mind), knocking over tables when denouncing the indulgences of the Pharisees. Hugs and kisses have their place, but so does anger. The anger that I have has nothing to do with any love that I have for anyone here.
It is sad that you only accept what makes sense to you, RF. God is very clear throughout the Bible that Faith is difficult because it may ot makes sense. Picking and choosing what you want to believe in Christianity...is certtainly not Christian. You are not the arbiter.
I agree that I could use a little more compassion...C'est la vie. This really has been more fun than anything and I find the straightforward Truth hurts far worse than the phallic putdowns you and others engage. Which, BTW, is an interesting point: It is hard to be taken seriously now when a post like this is read in the context of your others.
Is Jesus God? You believe no. Why? You choose to believe some things about Him and not others...based on what? I submit you have no reason whatsoever to explain your position beyond, "That's what I want."
You have read the Bible through? Really? What criteria do you use to believe one thing and not the other? The whole of Christianity hinges on Jesus' divinity. If it is not true as it claims, then why believe any of it?
The Bible is just stories as metaphors, parables and analogies after years of rewriting? Again, really? Which ones are which? Why do you believe that, RF? What expert or series of experts told you what to believe? Re-writes? By whom?
I suggest you read "The Case for Christ" and "The Case for the Real Jesus" by journalist Lee Strobel.
thanks for replying, to be honest i didn't read all your postings and maybe i should, i suppose the bottom line was if you are trying to put gods word across be more understanding, forgiving, maybe i was quick to judge you, i look forward to being more open minded to you and all others
i have alot to learn and i am in no dealt i have alot wrong and will endeavour to improve myself, but i remain forgiving to others, not judgemental.
Randalflagg
i'm not very good at serious, but i was serious above, i always believe that people are good in there hearts but lifes experiences can bitter them, you to me are a good person and i look forward to more stupid postings between us!
Skid - nicely put but Streamy will always struggle to understand, will never struggle to judge, and will forever be unable to forgive (especially when he brings up old threads where he's been put firmly in his place)
He's unmitigatingly boring, unfailing unfunny, and I can't for the life of me understand why he should be this way, although his fervent belief system may have something to do with it...
Enjoy your week mate - I'm outta here for the next few days
Good job, Stream. I had a couple of things but think you took care of it. Tell Skid that Bush is not Wrong, wrong, wrong, he's Right, wrong, wrong...which is what I think you said. I'll let him figure out the rest. Tell Podman true faith is easy not complex. It lifts all the burdens away, not adds to them. And it does seem, as with Podman who shrank away earlier, these girls like their Christians stupid and redneck, or a little stupid, girlish, starry-eyed and simple-minded, as in this video. Having probably never known one in real life, I can only guess where their template came from..but I can guess. Stream you're right, Glumbert does post only the types of videos that leave Christians open to mockery...and if Skid or others want to track back and see the wondrous things things they've said before you came on the site, many of their questions will be answered. What I find interesting is that Mako, and Dumb-ass Numero Uno, much like Podman, don't like Christians or people of faith who step out of character and spit back. They also don't like that we are better at the lingo than they are...except R, who, of course, is a walking dictionary. Even Bill Buckley couldn't out-duel him for wordsmithery. In a word, Mako and the wart on his ass, Canuck, like their Christians pliant and mute, and easy to screw...just like that rubber blow-up dummey they call Honey at night. Cheers, Girls. See you in the funny papers...or maybe other journals of opinion.
Chummin- I have nursed an idea for sometime and it has been reflected in some of the 'righty' literature I've been in for the last decade or so. It goes a little like this: The modern left is nihilist and elitist. Nihilist in that it wishes to destroy traditions and aspects of Western Civ that has (ironically) given them the freedom to have those positions. In particular, Western education that was first founded on Logic and Reason, and then upon scientific methods of gaining knowledge. It is the logic and reason that has been sacrificed. Note that in much of mako's and canuck's dipstickery is deferment to experts. This certainly eleviates the need to think and reason.
That leads me to their elitism. The modern left cannot stomach the idea that an average guy can do just fine on his own and raise his kids as he sees fit...in point of fact, thier entire philosophy rests on that. (Listen to Canuck's defenses of compassion. Spoken like a true Bolshevik.) So, instead of thinking and reasoning, they defer to experts. Instead of a God, they defer to themselves...never once seeing the awful dark irony in their beliefs.
Christians 'spitting back'? Is that the 'eye for an eye' variety or the 'turn the other cheek' variety?
Nooooo little A.R.S.E Stream, idiots spitting back, not Christians, are who we call out. You demonstrate your desire to rise to the bait perfectly and consistently whatever the weather...
What of the follower of Islam who came online and spat back at your constant, unimaginative and childish use of Terror-symp name calling? A little hypocritical wouldn't you say
You've already been exposed as a liar and a coward, but you can always show us new levels of stupid. Do go on
Have Nurse A.R.S.E feed you some calpol and give you a quick blowjob while your at it
You are right in one respect, I defer to experts. You are not one hence I show the deference one would show a turd. You are one of these.
You then have the temerity to bring up the sc ientific method and it's quest for knowledge... remember A.R.S.E Stream, the earth is only 6,000 years old
mako...I see you have adopted my tactics. I am flattered. All of my baiting lines are being used by you,
When have I ever been exposed a liar or coward? Of all the cmplaints against me, those aint the ones. We know who are cowards and liars by their own words.
Wait...you are part of the braintrust that thinks Chumm and I are the same. See, Mako, that is why I think you are a boor and a dolt. I went and re-read some of our discourse and you have managed to throw out all Reason and Logic...in other words, you don't use the tools God gave you. You simply defer to experts...in order to be considered one yourself. That is why you don't nibble at the bait here, you gobble it up. It is compulsary that you show anyone who cares to peep in that you are smart.
My friend, you are not. Start thinking, using Logic formal and informal, praying for wisdom and stop relying on experts (who are routinely wrong) for what you believe.
If you are going to say I am a liar, back it up. I have never lied once here and you can't site an example.
Sorry Stream. I tied on the Adams. You took it. Look way, way up the thread and you'll see...
I changed flies, you still gulped it down. Seeing your little error you tried a switchback. Didn't work brookie...
Somewhat deceitful of you to say I'm adopting YOUR tactics... but then we know you do that when your back's to the wall
I see nothing wrong in deferring to those with more knowledge. Nothing at all. I learn from them. This is anathema to you I know...
Why do you ask this anyway?
You need to call people ‘experts’ in a derogatory way; I keep my ears open and I listen to them. These people may know more than you. It’s worth listening. Do you consider experts in given fields to be BELOW you? Or do you simply consider anything said outside the realms of The Book to be untrue unless 'it is written'?
What is your definition of ‘EXPERT’
You are not an expert in anything Streamy, apart from teaching track and field to a few teens in your spare time, and preaching to fellow young earthers during the rest of it..
What I and a fair few others DON'T do is defer to self proclaimed experts like you.
You and A.R.S.E can keep each other company
The reason I'm on your case and that of A.R.S.E is that if you shout loud and I know it to be wrong (you on Largest Model of the Universe threads, and A.R.S.E on the Micheal Moore threads) then I challenge.
I know you don't like hearing it but dats da truth.
I don't they are elitists, just wannabe-elites. They're too stoopid to be real elites, that's why they hang out here. They can buffalo a lot of people with their quick tracks back to Google, Wikipedia, etc. Granted, modern elitists with PhD's can't think very well, either, rather regurgitate what their betters tell them, ...hey wait, i'm just proving your case. Elistists are all stupid, that's where I made my mistake, I was confusing being educated with being smart There's just Dumb and Dumber...and of course, the much loved Dumbest. Ding-a-ding, ding-a-ling, woof, woof. It is interesting to see if any of these hooters (Podman has a special love of the common man, as do I) actually understad that they are onn the side of the people who piss on common men for fun...as they do, by the way, which is where we started this conversation. Go figure.
Check out the big brain on Mako!
Mako...you didn't cite it. (BTW...why would I be begging you to prove a lie if it had been done in this thread and was so obvious?)
No, Mako, I do not unquestioningly defer to experts...and you obviously do.
I think there is a brain in you. But, you will have to use it to prove it. You haven't. I guess I am a MakoBrain Agnostic.
On a side note........ Other than [reply] and [inappropriate] glumbert should also have a [unrelated] link to remove posts that have nothing to do with the vid.
I'm quite sick of these liberals and their "god = evil" attitude.
Feeding time for the brainless fish in the sea!
Mako, honey, child, dearest angel...Please go back and read our threads on this.
I have said, ad nauseum, that it was the paucity of Old Earth evidence (not concensus) that lead me on other lines of thinking. The YEC's don't claim "proof", only evidence that they interpret differently than materialists. It is the hubristic evolutionists who are claiming "proof" where there is none.
The evidence is out there and the questions are not answered. You and I both rest on Faith but yours is in Man...who changes what is believed to be factual every few years.
It must suck to have no belief grounded in something firm, mako.
Why is a belief in man and his achievements (including writing the Bible, Koran, Torah et al, and perpetuating belief in the deities who represent these scriptures) any less firm a position to hold than your belief in God?
I can see what man has done. I can also see what he has done in the name of God.
I'd prefer man to answer for his faults and not shirk responsibility by shifting it to a higher power for whom he can claim divine guidance without proof of its existence.
You prefer otherwise. That's ok.
BUT (big sigh as this is re-typed YET again)
As has been requested of you so many, many times, DO at least try to lay off the high minded arrogance and pomposity for which you are known, loved and owned by all.
Now, Mako, that IS a good question and I am glad you asked.
This is where logic and reason come in...and a lifetime of experience (however long that may be) to discern Truth from mere fact.
What we KNOW of man's progress: Each generation has a set of "facts" that contradict the previous generations' set. In point thereof, many of those are contradicted within the generation. So, to rest your belief of ultimate Truth on man's ability to state "fact" should not be the best direction to take.
What stands the test of time...what has ultimate answers...what can you pass on as True to your progeny?
Nice dig about shirking responsibility. Stay on target, Mako. Claiming a higher power as motivation does not shirk responsibility...claiming no responsibility because there are no real Rights and Wrongs, now that's a good old fashioned (cowardly) shirking.
"Each generation has a set of "facts" that contradict the previous generations' set. In point thereof, many of those are contradicted within the generation"
The bible has been constantly rewritten to conform to the facts of each generation
SO it foolows that YOUR logic and reason go hand in hand with blind faith in the words of a constantly rewritten bible?
Yup.
Sure thing there buddy. You're a poor, poor salesman
Does your bible answer the questions you pose? Of course it does - if you need it to.
Mako...you just made a claim that you know is not true.
I would hate to call you a liar, but I will keep it at intellectually lazy right now.
Name one time the Bible was rewritten to accommodate the facts of the time. Name the version. I suggest a little more critical thought and a little less acceptance of the experts-o-the-day.
Streamy - without getting into a long and boring lecture which will eventually end up with you sidestepping and commencing your usual tapout tango I'd suggest you read a little missive from the following:
These are Christians admitting the bible has been amended. Perhaps gaining consensus with other Christians before making such judgements would show wisdom coz you for sure ain't the one true word boy!
Oh - this was an intersting piece some years ago in 2001 - go dig around and tell me if you feel it has any veracity...
Do please focus on the last paragraph too:
*A team of theologians and historians will gather in Italy later this month to start the potentially explosive task of inserting new details about the life and times of Jesus Christ.
The influence of radical Jewish groups who wanted to overthrow Roman rule is likely to feature in the new Bible, bolstering those who interpret Christ as a revolutionary who fought political oppression.
The Bible is based mostly on manuscripts written centuries after Christ lived, but the so-called Dead Sea scrolls, found at Qumran by shepherds in 1947, have been dated to the decades before and after his crucifixion.
The 800 documents, written by the Essenes, a Jewish sect, date from 170 BC to AD 68, and chronicle the turbulence of the Roman occupation of Judea.
Gianluigi Boschi, a Dominican priest and Vatican biblical scholar, told yesterday's La Stampa, a Turin daily newspaper, that an international commission of scholars had been given the green light to update the Bible by culling material from the scrolls.
The initiative will be officially announced at a conference at the University of Modena on September 26. The team is expected to include Etienne Nodet, author of the The Origins of Christianity; Paolo Garuti, a biblical scholar; and Garcia Martinez, president of the international movement for Qumranic studies.
Martyn Percy, a canon doctor at Sheffield university, welcomed the initiative but suggested the results may be less than dramatic. "There has never been a settled, definitive version of the Bible, it has been an evolving book which has gone through many translations. Only fundamentalists think it came in a fax from heaven." *
Now what was it I made up again?
(Don't worry, A.R.S.E will be along soon to suckle from)
Yep...confirmed: You are an uncritical, sophomoric boob.
No offense, honey...it is just that you pick and choose what you want to believe and then generalize from there.
All of your previous south winds have had the same amount of substance. But, what could I expect from someone who knows nothing of the Living God only what others have told him.
Are there differences in opinion? Yes. Are there those within the Christian community who have ok'd their own means to their own ends? Yes
However, the claim that the Bible has been routinely changed is false and you know it. (By the way, which Bible do you refer. Some aspects of the OT are left out of Protestant Bibles while remaining in Catholic Bibles...But, not so in the NT.)
The single most reliable ancient text on planet earth is the Bible, in terms of what was written then and what exists now. Have fun trying to disprove that, M.
Gosh...you spent a lot of time writing what others think, Mako. Why not investigate for yourself...like in the Evolution/Creation debate.
Frankly this little mini-thread has achieved three things:
1. It named one time the Bible was rewritten to accommodate the facts of the time.
2. Your claim that I lied about changes to bible has been shown to be utter bollocks
3. You state that man changes what is believed to be factual every few years. This has included the bible hence your beliefs are not as firm as they may appear to you
It must suck to have no belief grounded in something firm, Streamy!!
LOL
PS Good old answers-in-genesis... your cyber-port of choice whenever that south wind whips up a Streamy storm. Purleeze stop trying to sell that bullshit site!!
Wanko-
1. I addressed that and dealt with it. (Frying pan #1)
2. I said you were intellectually lazy. Your note here proves it. (Frying pan #2)
3. I said that man changes what he believes based on scientific "facts" that change every so often. This does not include the Bible and its "rewritings" that you claim have happened. (Frying Pan #3)
You claim rewritings of the Bible as routine over history.
What were these supposed changes that would ostensibly alter Christian doctrine and theology? Which are accepted? Which are rejected? Are you talking about translations or rewritings?
I know you will not answer these questions, Mako. They would require digging and understanding.
I will cite whatever source I wish. They cite their claims as well...but, you would not know that as you dismiss them (and other Christians) before attempting to understand.
Fear motivates you, Mako...fear that something greater than you exists...fear that your tenuous grip on control will be exposed...fear that you aren't as smart as you want people to think of you.
You accused me of a "tap dance tango" once before. Thank you, Mr. Kelly for not answering any questions and do-si-doing your way off stage.
By the way...if you don't like my sources, that's too bad. But, you should at least frame an argument in oppositon so that others will think you are smart.
As an unjudgemental Christian, I'll explain the skit to you. Jesus and this gal had a relationship because she put him as her Lord and Savior. She was happy and had everything that she desired. Jesus met her needs. The romeo guy tried to come in between them and get her distracted away from Jesus. The money guy also tried to steal her away by making her want after the things of this world. Her friend also tried to pull her away with things like drinking, but it only left her feeling empty and wanting more inside. The perfect looking model girl made her feel inadequate and inferior. Therefore the illusion that she didn't measure up made her want to kill herself in the end. Jesus only wants what is best for her, so he pulled her towards him, but the other people were in the way, so he stands in the gap. Much like he did on the cross for all of us. He took the punishment, so we could be free. In the end, she is back in right standing with Jesus, and is happy again, The hole in her soul was filled as only Jesus can fill it.
...tut, tut, tut...after all the times I've taught you that soul can reside in man without ANY need for deity....so presumptuous of you to assume that
(patience, Skvirrel, this child is a slow learner)
This has been explained many times to you - guess your misunderstanding comes from not listening to 'dem dare expurts'
What fills my soul (other than which I've previously intimated to A.R.S.E) is the joy of watching you thrash on the end of my line as you jerk around like a Botton resident.
We all have souls
We all have arseholes
You talk far too much about the former out of the latter.
X
PS Homer Jacobson did your Creationist Theory a favour the other day didn't he. He's an EXPERT by the way...
Where did Fish-man say he got that soul, Stream? I missed it. True humanist, Grade 1, I guess. I don't recall evolutionists even including the soul as part of nature's creations. What it is, then, an evolved wisdom tooth? So Fish-ma concludes he can have one, like, you know, just wish one one up. Does that mean he can also wish one away? Hell, that's no different than mothers-in-law....I guess. Sounds pretty intellectual to me. Man (Mako) telling God he'll pick and choose from all His things just like God was a short order cook in a diner. I believe in arse-holes, and can see one from time to time. ,,,figuratively as well. But I've never seen a soul, or held in my hand, or smelled it. Mako is telling us that he believes in some invisible essence yet insists that is he who created it? Or can kill it, dismiss it when he wishes? What good is it, if he himself created it? And we're the Flatearthers??? It;s a good thing you're a slow learner, Stream. I've always been taught to take horse shit in very small portions. Cheers, keep it up. Now you have Mako confessing to things that go bump in the night...man-made of course???? Damn, I may need a beer for this.
I just stepped in, but since you used the "cowardly shit" I notice for what you clearly define (read up and count all the things you've plagiarized from Stream and me...is that all you've got...your enemies giving you one-liners, which you can use at a later engagement?) as fellow who runs from questions yet you answer none of mine. Creationism hasn't been around but a few years, but the belief in the Genesis story has been for about 4000 years, give or take. Darwinism has been about 150, but it also is a belief system, Ass-wipe. That's the whole point of Stream's argument. Darwin can't be proved any more than Canuck's father's surname. Many scientists believe it ONLY because they think it gives them a leg on people (C-students) who believe in thing they can't see. Who's the greater threat...educated men who believe in what they can't prove? Or uneducated man who believe in what that can't prove. Osama bin Laden, and John Kerry (go figure) argues the former...while the US Constitution proves the latter. (and it ain't even Scripture!) I'll give you a few days to work on that, it will require reading. Cordially
Not at all Streamy - made me giggle a little to see litte A.R.S.E soul reduced to mere invective whilst at the same time helping bolster the fact that Creationism is nothing more than a story, a long lived one, but a story nonetheless.
Yep, Darwinian Theory may also be a belief system, arguably a much stronger one than Creationism because it has science to back it up.
Creationism has you and A.R.S.E
Who's the greater threat? Both are equally dangerous and one can see this perfectly expressed in the way Bush can't find Osama.
Stream and I have a compact, we only talk down to people who invite it..and God knows, you and Tweedle Dumbest invited it....in spades Go back and read your "streams" and see what I mean. It seems to me you just don't like people dishing out better shit than you have, be it about religion, politics, economics or just plain old right and wrong. I have never seen so many cry babies whine because they've been attacked with the same (only bigger) stick they've used all over this site against people they thought were defenseless. Give it a break, mud-mouth. Stream's notion of "talking down" is by saying what he believes, a thing which you've never done yourself. As I've said and will hound you to the grave as long as you stay on this site, all you believe in is what you hate. That makes by, by default, way way above you, girlie, so there's little you can do about it. You wear victimhood just like Hillary. Cheers
A passing thought, a soul either comes to us from God or nature. God has always taken credit for it, has told us we have it, through his agents, of course, but Science insists it doesn' even exist...or more steadfastlym that it can't be proved. Yes, I am interested in these answers. I watched Hitchens and D'Souza go at it the other day...both did well, considering the material each had to work with, but I can't see Hitchens saying yes, we have a soul...and it's just like an arse. Puh-leeze.
Mako...man, you are entertaining.
How's that again...the whole soul thing? Don't you need a scientist to tell you where it came from...or, that it even exists? How does one test for the soul? (Careful here...you might have to resort to Logic to arrive at an answer..so, this question is safe.)
You need an expert to tell you what to believe on virtually everything.
M- Speaking of not thinking...Jacobson has retracted part but not all of his admissions from 1955! You'll notice he cited as his primary reason for retractrion, his research being used by (gasp) creationists. He does not speak for other scientists who still disagree with him. (I know you are familiar with all the theories about life and how it began, but are you familiar with their assumptions?)
In "The Holy Grail", the question was posed by the elite scientist of the uneducated, "What floats on water." Through deduction and observation of their world they arrived at: ducks and witches must be the same weight since they both float on water...even though other evidence pointed elsewhere.
Don't make me explain which character you are. (Hints: You are neither the duck, the witch or the scientist.)
Are you claiming his retraction was some kind of conspiracy plot against creationists?
Or are you acknowledging he recanted his view on how unlikely he initially thought the formation of amino acids would be because he didn't mention the possibility they could form when subjected to energy like lightning?
No doubt other scientists will disagree and they can continue to do so - part of peer review ain't it? Oh, forgot you don't like that...
Yup - those elite scientists of the uneducated learnt. They stopped drowning women. I suspect if you do your homework a little more thoroughly you'd find many of these killings were carried out under the auspices of religious cleansing
Interesting that you bring up the analogy though. Can't help but think these same scientists would have believed the earth was created 6000 years ago...
Peer review...the elitists club standard, tautologically speaking, for membership. Who peer reviewed Darwin?
Nice try at ducking the frying pan. But, in case you missed the analogy (and you did) you are part of the uneducated who just mindlessly went along with what was poored down their throat.
Hey there Streamy...I'll clarify Jacobson for you HERE and NOW you cowardly little shit LOL
As you're incapable of actually absorbing secondary material when posted as a link, here are Jacobson's words:
In January 1955, American Scientist published my article, "Information, Reproduction and the Origin of Life" (Vol. 43, No. 1). I ask you to honor my request to retract two brief passages, as follows:
On page 121: "Directions for the reproduction of plans, for energy and the extraction of parts from the current environment, for the growth sequence, and for the effector mechanisms translating instructions into growth—all had to be simultaneously present at that moment [of life's birth]."
On page 125: "From the probability standpoint, the ordering of the present environment into a single amino acid molecule would be utterly improbable in all the time and space available for the origin of terrestrial life."
I have several reasons for retracting the statements. For the first passage, use of the requirement of simultaneity was a conjecture, unsupported by any proof. Separate developments of partial structures might well have occurred in an environment of randomly reacting molecules, eventually to join into one or more self-reproducing structures.
The second passage refers only to an attempt to calculate the probability that a single molecule of a particular amino acid could spontaneously form from its components. The calculation was irrelevant, as it was based on an endothermic change during an imaginary spontaneous conversion of a mixture of component atoms and molecules into glycine under adiabatic and standard conditions, with no external source of energy. Such changes cannot spontaneously take place. Molecules of increased complexity have been found, however, when necessary components are available, with the aid of ambient energy from natural or experimental systems, e.g. electrical discharges, substantial temperature gradients or contiguous compounds or elements whose chemical reactions produce free energy. All of these could have existed under early Earth conditions, and thus this passage is completely inapplicable.
*THE ABOVE IS WHERE LIGHTNING CAN COME IN STREAMY - A SCIENTIFIC PROBABILITY I THINK YOU'LL FIND*
Retraction this untimely is not normally undertaken, but in this case I request it because of continued irresponsible contemporary use by creationists who have quoted my not merely out-of-context, but incorrect, statements, to support their dubious viewpoint. I am deeply embarrassed to have been the originator of such misstatements, allowing bad science to have come into the purview of those who use it for anti-science ends.
Homer Jacobson
Brooklyn College
The City University of New York
Good point, Mako. Thank you for walkingright into it.
Which has been around longer, elitist: Christian Creation theory or Darwinian Evolutionary theory? (You chose that as a standard, not me.)
To whom are you whining, Mako? You can cut and paste with the precision of any 2nd grader.
I read his retraction: My first comments still stand...his first claims were unsubstantiated hypothesizing and his reasons for retraction are...here comes the drum roll...the same.
His editorial whining remains of the "I'm taking my ball and leaving" kind.
Stream, I though "cowardly little shits" were people who cut an ran, like Tweedles Dumb and Dumber have on a number of occasions when asked tough questions...and not men who stand an fight toe to toe. Tweedles in Wonderland?
A.R.S.E as usual adding little but verbal garbage... As you say, no point debating fools. Keep humming Streamy tho - he loves it.
Stream - Christian Creationism has been around far longer as a BELIEF system.
Darwinian Theory has been around far longer as a scientifically, peer reviewed concept under constant attack from the likes of people more intelligent than you.
It has survived
You wish to read 'editorial whining' into Jacobson's comments (funny that term's highly applicable to most of yours) then fine by me. We both know his are not though.
They're the comments of a scientific mind acknowledging that science has moved on and that his first assumptions were out of date.
Like your current assumptions.
He's also pissed off that fuckwits with little understanding of real science are trying to hijack his words out of context to push faith
I would suggest if your little hourly interplay above with A.R.S.E is anything to go by that it's not me throwing the teat fit here. You're gagging to be taught how dumb you are whilst trying to appear the opposite
Mako-you caught me at bad time this morning so I apologize in advance for talking down to you...some more.
Really, Creationism not scientific and not peer reviewed. Wrong on both accounts. Had you any sense of what you speak you would review what you (supposedly) learned in the 8th grade about the scientific method. I have spelled it out before and you routinely ignore it, in favor of WHAT OTHER PEOPLE TELL YOU; no critical thought, no analysis, nothing. Just pedestrian gobbling of what you thingk makes you one of the "smart" crowd.
(I would be very cautious about monolithical consensi, Mako. There have been a few movements in history that have had the scientific community's backing based on Darwinian Evolution as fact...eugenics and nazism come right to mind.)
On to your hero--please explain why jacobson would need to retract his earlier research on the grounds that it was being used by Creationists...if they were using them out of context. (You made that up, too...or, do you not understand out of context concepts. Say that 3x fast.) He may have agreed that the science on early earth conditions may have moved forward, but there are still those who agree with his earlier theses. Just because he retracted doesn't make it untrue...doofus.
I enjoy thoroughly your copying of my arguments, child.
Streamy - I know you talk down at me and others. This is because your head's in the clouds atop some divinely built ivory tower.
Talking down at people is what you're good at, making sense isn't.
Sure - I listen to what other people tell me... I then analyse it, check it out for myself, see if it's bullshit or not. When people start talking bullshit I also listen. Then I tell them they're talking bullshit. Like I've told you on many an occassion.
Regards Jacobson - a little unfair of you to accuse me of making stuff up there, and a little stupid of you; re-read his retraction letter. I'd suggest you focus carefully on the bit that says:
*Retraction this untimely is not normally undertaken, but in this case I request it because of continued irresponsible contemporary use by creationists who have quoted my not merely out-of-context, but incorrect, statements, to support their dubious viewpoint. I am deeply embarrassed to have been the originator of such misstatements, allowing bad science to have come into the purview of those who use it for anti-science ends*
Those who agree with his earlier theses have obviously not really moved forward. They only believe in it because, like you, they desperately need science to tell them creationism is a serious theory.
It's strange that you should have something in common with real science here but it seems you do:
1. You struggle to make creationism make any scientific sense whatsoever
2. Good science also struggles to support the idea that the world was formed in 6 days 6,000 years ago
Now, what of those religious movements that had consensual backing from the majority. Erm... Crusades anyone? Perhaps you'd like tell us all about your membership of the Christian Identity movement... Actually please don't.
As usual your idiocy provides a beacon of hopelessness
Oh and a brief correction to more of your bullshit on eugenics
Eugenics is based on genetic principles that are independent of evolution.
It is just as compatible with creationism; check out a guy called William J. Tinkle who advocated eugenics and selective human breeding. He was a Young Earth Creationist
Most eugenics arguments, such as the expected effects of selective sterilization and the results of interracial mating, are simply based on bad biology.
Better biology education, including the teaching of evolution, can only counter the assumptions on which eugenics is based.
Sadly it won't stop you streaming yet more crap...
Stream and I have a compact, we only talk down to people who invite it..and God knows, you and Tweedle Dumbest invited it....in spades Go back and read your "streams" and see what I mean. It seems to me you just don't like people dishing out better shit than you have, be it about religion, politics, economics or just plain old right and wrong. I have never seen so many cry babies whine because they've been attacked with the same (only bigger) stick they've used all over this site against people they thought were defenseless. Give it a break, mud-mouth. Stream's notion of "talking down" is by saying what he believes, a thing which you've never done yourself. As I've said and will hound you to the grave as long as you stay on this site, all you believe in is what you hate. That makes by, by default, way way above you, girlie, so there's little you can do about it. You wear victimhood just like Hillary. Cheers
Hey cutie pie...time for your pellets!
SIT! Gooood Mako
BEG! Gooood Mako
1. You struggle to understand, brainiac. You have no idea what limits science and the material world. That is because your faith is in yourself, whom you have supplanted as god.
2. Good science recognizes its scope. It is currently full of contradictions in the Old Earth materialist views...but, the kool aid tastes good.
Time for you to read about the Crusades...the good and the bad. You blanket statement of something that lasted generations makes you a fool.
(Well, that and all your postings.)
Eugenics is based on genetic principles independent of evolution? (I didn't know that was possible.) The modern eugenics movement (of the early 20th century) would really appeal to you Mako...full of godless scientists, based on a sick sense of compassion, ok'd abortion for almost any reason, and was a direct offshoot of "survival of the fittest". I suggest a little educating yourself on this: read "From Darwin to Hitler" by Richard Weikert
Until you get the big picture, mako, you will just be a follower piggybacking on someone else's ideas.
What a bunch of inane crap! Total and utter ARSE! Verbal diarrhoea and muddy-thinking bullshit! We might as well go for the Squirrel theory. You can quote experts and theories until you're blue in the face, but if a moth farts in Honduras we could all be doomed. How the world was created is irrelevant. Get your buttocks writhing into the nearest member of the opposite sex at every opportunity and don't fret about anything.
To paraphrase Kirkegaard - "Solipsism is dog shit, so stick philosophy where the sun don't shine."
Boring, isn't it? You need to get into something requiring a shorter attention span. Baboons pick fleas. Women whine: it's to hot, it's too cold. Is you're real name Sue? Cheers
Some have said that this skit almost trivializes Christian faith by trying to fit such an enormous topic into one 7 minute skit. I don't think - nor will any of it's intended targets - that it's goal is to do that. What it's attempting to do - at least as my eyes have seen - is show how kids love Jesus as they grow up, eventually grow away from Jesus, and are not only desiring to be back with Him, but are welcomed back, and even FOUGHT for by Jesus! I saw my brother perform this skit in a kind of abbreviated form this morning at Church and wanted to see it in it's entirety. The kids on this video are awesome, and I hope they continue to take a stand for Jesus for the rest of their lives!
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