canuck...probably you should give equal credit to ace....he makes you, and virtually EVERYONE else look, well, at least OK (bad-w-b has no redeeming resources at all).
Let me jump in here....personally I would have loved to see that SOB Bush take a hush puppy to the pie hole......I'm no lib, I've been a life long Republican.....who voted for Obama, proof positive this world is f-ed up!
And, like I stated in another comment..."I'll add that the 2nd amendment has never in history been more relevant or important than right now!!! Tyranny has grown another head!"
The thought of an armed citizenry nowadays is downright frightening.
People already kill people with knives, chairs, glass shards, cars, bats, and all sorts of other instruments....in my area, mostly as part of the drug problem. Making it easy for them all to have guns...yeah, right.
All the people I know or have ever considered friends and associates would be totally competent and trustworthy if they had guns. But none do. In a civil world, proliferate arms tend to erode the foundation civility is based upon...it's a throwback to ungoverned and uncontrolled times. It has been reported that most killings during home break-ins were by guns owned by the homeowner...hardly a recommendation for keeping a gun at home.
On the other hand, the notion that guns would be readily available to all, chills me...there are simply too many out there too ready to play macho.
I would fear (predict) enormous growth in family-dispute killings, drunk killings, car-related killings, and significant-other killings, to name just a few. I think the issue is simple...if there is a gun there, sooner or later it will be used, and not likely for the purpose intended.
The NRA thinks in terms of hunters and such.....think in terms of the drunk pool-player who loses, the jilted lover, the flipped-off driver, the teen who needs to prove himself, and all that testosterone charged idiocy that permeates our open society...and give each a gun.
Insane.
But contagious...
...because if I think some incompetent with a gun might bust through my door to take what is mine, well then I'll get a freakin' gun myself and show them a thing or two.
And then somebody gets shot just because they scared some flighty elder who now owns a Glock and is ready to use it.
OK....let the gun people tee-off on that rant.
Man, I tell you, I fear an armed public because in that group are a ration of dumbo's, stupido's, crazies, alcoholics, schitzo's, bipolars, rambo's and otherwise unreliable people who will get them - and guns in the hands of an unreliable public is a lot like an armed madhouse that would threaten the normalcy of life...and end too many of them, I fear.
And that's just the up-side. Let's go on to what the proliferation of arms might mean more generally, as we all decide to behave individually rather than as a society. You piss on my shoe, I shoot your foot off. You shoot his foot off and I shoot your sister. You shoot my sister, and I shoot your wife and kids. And so on (sounds a little like the Soprano's, I think).
That's not just the Hatfields and McCoys, that is the tribal mid-east...shiites, sunnis, kurds, each and all separated not by borders but by customs and cultures. Might that be where our armed citizenry devolves?
By the way, those snotty hosers up north are getting really uppity....maybe a some of us could head up there and straighten a few away this weekend. Bring the Bud, and lose that bear piss they try to sell down here. Oh, and I got the ammo if you got the Uzi....jus' kiddin'....got both m'self. How's that ought six workin' for ya? Dad's 30-30's ok, but can't spread it around like the Uzi. 'sides, them are for huntin'...need to break out the Kaleshnikov's for this party, eh? Dam, let's blow sump'n up, too. Got Molotov's, but got some plastique too, so it ought to be a fun time. Not sure how to use it, but what the hell, if it don't blow when we hit it with a hammer, shee-it, we'll jus' set a fire an' toss it in. Them Frenchies'll never figure it out. Hell...things work out, we might just take back that ol' waterfall that ought to be all 'Merican anyway. Jus' wear a turkey feather in your Yankees ball cap so we recognize each other...no way them ice-cube-oise will catch on.
Chaz, let me respectfully and briefly (try to) describe things another way....as in "logically"....
First off, let me describe the meaning of logic (not for you, but others here), The rules of logic are that there are two basic parts to an argument: evidence and conclusion. An argument is sound when the conclusion follows necessarily from the evidence that is put forth to support it. The problems begin when we reach conclusions based on assumptions that aren't necessarily so. Such as: "Everyone obeys gun laws," which is the central assumption of almost all gun law. Most of us know that categorical statements like that are inherently unreliable, this is why we tell our kids to "never say never", because all it takes is one counter example to disprove a categorical statement.
If it were true that everyone obeys gun laws, then laws such as our so-called "Pistol Free Zones" would make at least some sense. So all it takes is one person with a gun in a "Pistol Free Zone" to put lie to the term. Who is most likely to obey gun laws? The law-abiding, us good guys. A criminal bent on committing a crime and breaking several laws will NOT leave his gun at home afraid of breaking one more law. Which brings me back to logic, look at the evidence, where do the vast majority of murders and gun crimes tend to occur? Not surprisingly, in places where guns are prohibited! Places like, Virginia Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, that Amish school, D. C., Chicago and the list goes on. We don't hear of police stations or other gatherings of armed people getting shot up!
That, would be what I call evidence. Evidence that criminals do not obey the law, and the evidence that some laws (gun) are dangerous to the law-abiding.
I feel confident in stating that your assumptions that underlie your beliefs, are, if you'll pardon the expression, fatally flawed. Faulty evidence, stated or not, leads to flawed conclusions and in your comment, you make a whole lot of conclusions based on assumptions that aren't necessarily so.
The logical conclusion of the evidence shows gun prohibitions do not save lives, they take lives!
I know my comment above is provocative, that was intentional, and right to the point. Obviously, I'm not about to "take up arms" against my country I love, or it's leaders, but that little ole 2nd amendment is what keeps them at bay, even in our times. And in times like these, this is what I mean by, "the 2nd amendment has never in history been more relevant or important than right now!"
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree!
Other than that Chaz, have a very safe, secure and happy holiday, and I think you said before you have a son in Iraq, so I'll add, I hope he is safe and is soon to return home. I hope this holiday finds you snuggled up to your sweetheart with a bottle of good vino!
miter we were not dealing with the Chinese tiger ,Chewing up manufacturing jobs in europe and north America,if you made $25,000 you could afford to buy a house which was only$10,000 , people went to church and cared for each other,crack was not available to everyone ,people made the marriage work ,gas was 49 cents and the arabs where fucking their goats camels and small boys , now they only fuck small boys[read about it in afghanistan and the afghan army interpreters]. Walmart was a small store in Arkansas so the chinese didn't have a major outlet. Russia was still the enemy of the free world and people could go out shopping or for a drink without worrying about a crack head robbing them.
I'll stop now it is pissing me off . CM
My 2nd grade teacher threw chalk-board erasers at me and one day threw her shoe at me after throwing the erasers... completely changed my life around that did. True story. she is one of the heros in my life!
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