why is it when some thing like a scary landing, egg hatching, high human attribute, animal toxic effects and interesting facts happens and some one says its fake!? its people like this that causes the human race to be so one-track minded. meaning we aren't learning certain subjects and we're not making good decisions.
Dont know about the other things you speak of, but the video is FAKE. Its not about being one-track minded. Its about using our mind. I mean it touched the same height at a constant speed. There was nothing natural about it. Also if a plane slammed the ground that hard it would fall apart.
My answer- Simple video editing. You take the approach and the landing. Then loop the touch down of the rear to the touch down of the front, minus the smoke of the rear. Wala- you have a video a bunch of douchebags are going to debate over the authenticity for weeks.
yes and no.
Since I'm in the business I decided to ask some experts before I commented. This is an actual landing of a Boeing 737, however it has been tampered with. The plane in question was being filmed due to a failure light showing up on the panel.... the bouncing did occur, but has been sped up to exaggerate the movement, probably done by our friends at the beer company. If you notice at the 8 sec. mark, the tail end of this ship scrapes the ground. Boeing has sent our AOG crew,(airplane on ground) to do repairs... it is still out of service.
What business are you in goldbardeb? I hope it's the advertisement business! Anyway I have some comments on your explanation... first of all this isn't a 737 (for reasons a bit too geeky to be exposed here), it looks more like an artist rendition of a A320 (but not a real one either). Second of all this video has been on the internet for at least 2 years and I don't think repairs would take that long. Then there is the fact that there is absolutely no freaking way anyone could ever make a large plane do that, even slower, except maybe if the front wheel doesn't have any kind of shock-absorbing device (which it usually does) So my verdict is: virtual imaging, beer commercial, the end.
well then I guess not every employee of boeing is required to be able to recognize their own planes, or have some knowledge about physics... my arguments still hold
I didn't say it couldn't "bounce and stay intact", it just couldn't BOUNCE LIKE THAT. For the title I prefer aerospace engineering student, but good guess
Planes CAN bounce fair enough...Bouncing like THIS would only make it fall apart and most likely kill/injure a large number of passengers, and a passenger jet this size has a landing speed of around 150mph (I'm not qualified so am open to query on this speed).
That velocity does no one any good when the aircraft falls apart as it would if this vid were true
So many experts........ So many sad fools. seban is right though. And I already use tarmac to wipe my ass. It's my contribution to saving the rain forests.
Whether this be an EADS or Boeing product is not the issue, that the landing took place is not in dispute either
That the landing took place at the speed shown and with the violence of movement IS up for debate.
Movement that violent would undoubtedly have rendered pilots and many passengers unconscious. And the aircraft would almost certainly have disintegrated.
I know nobody cares what plane it is, it's just that I'm quite annoyed by people who come and say stuff like "Yeah my father's uncle's daughter was there it's totally true".. so I thought that bitching about details would be a pretty good way to disprove the whole thing you see. other than that i'm glad we agree
Well not totally coz to be fair you did say you thought people who came online and proclaimed 'fake' for this were 'one track minded'
Whether goldie works for boeing (or 'boing' in this instance) or for EADS is irrelevant. The video IS faked and from what gold has said previously I get the impression that boeing may well genuinely be her (or even his) employee
Aircraft recog is one thing, calling a video fake is another ;-)
that was seraph4 not me! I said just the opposite actually. That's people calling sth real because someone told them it was (with no argument of course) that annoys me. and goldbar may well be employed by boeing, but this doesn't make this plane a boeing, ergo what she said isn't true (but maybe she's been fooled by someone else). That's all! no hard feelings!
My guess is that goldbar is a trolley dolly at best. Possibly a cleaner. Certainly not an aircraft designer. Thankyou seban for being the only sensible post on this subject. Mako is right too. Everyone else's contribution is total bullshit.
Actually I have worked at Boeing Commercial Airplane Company for 22 years. The first 17 being in Fabrication Production as a Plastic Bench Mechanic building composite (fiberglas. kevlar, graphite) parts for both Commercial side and EWA (engineer work authorization) test parts for F-22. After tearing up my arms and hands, 5 years ago switched position and became production support, tool services. No I am not a designer.... there are very few of the position you discuss. And I don't ever want that kind of stressful responsibility.
You must try to comprehend that there are over 100 thousand people working for Boeing: Commercial, Space and Military all are seperate entitys. There is also thousands of different job titles and each product line has it's own specialists..... just because I work in the Cargo area of the triple 7 does not mean that I am qualified to work the same detail on a 747, for instance. Up until 5 years ago, I had not seen a final product except at the airport or in the air. We are much larger than the outside world could ever understand, and more plants involved in building an aircraft than I can even count anymore. (777 is built in Everett, 737 in Renton)
I am sorry that this string and my original comment has caused so much frustration and discontent, but if you read my original response I did not say that I KNEW the answer, but that I had talked to someone(my expert) and got their opinion. Everything written in that first paragraph was from my friend after he watched the video with me twice. I have to believe that he was being honest with me, and probably, after all the comments he was not; there is a lot of tension here right not as it is a union contract year and a real possibility that we will have a work stoppage this September. Along with working 5 weeks in a row to play catch up due to shortages, there is not a lot of patience here...... some will not be getting a 3 day weekend this week, mostly by choice... (gotta save up some money in case we are on strike this fall).
Anyway sorry it took so long to respond. My apologies but there really is no need to insult.
Personally C, being on the aircraft with sleeping pilots! As long as they woke up of course :-)
A shitty landing always gets on the news but I would hazard a guess that a lot of pilots doze off and most of us passengers just don't realize coz modern aircraft are capable of going into a holding pattern and staying there if the auto pilto's on. Pikots are both human AND aware of how useful alarm clocks are ;-)
That greek jet that flew on for hours after a gentle decompression rendered everyone unconscious, save a flight trained steward, is an example. It held in the loop until it ran out of fuel. Pilots were all knocked out
Bottom line, if EVERYONE around you on a jet is dozing off INCLUDING staff then maybe a walk around is advised. Most of us reading here wouldn't be awake so it's not really an issue.
Those trained to understand hypoxia might make it...if they can figure out how to turn an autopilot off and descend to a point the pilots regain awareness.
I see your point....but what if you were on that plane with the sleeping pilots.....and that damn thing was heading into a mountain? Or would their "collision warning system" (or whatever the fuck it's called) be enough to give them the ol' wakey-wakey? Either scenario don't seem too appealing, y'know?
come on they fell asleep at cruising altitude! that's 30 - 35 000 feet! they didn't build mountains that high yet! And I don't think any pilot would be stupid enough to fall asleep during the approach phase, unless there is a sudden epidemic of narcolepsy in the airplane. I mean I'm gonna be trying to build or sell these flying things in a few years don't destroy the market by making it sound unsafe ;-)
Collision avoidance warning would probably do it! It's quite loud coz it's quite important :-)
Also female voices are used because (predominantly) male pilots listen to them more intently. Go figure; tho I doubt you really need to dig down too deep as to why ;-)
Point being passengers probably wouldn't know about sleeping pilots as the pilots would wake up in time. That said there should always be someone alert on deck so it two crew asleep should not normally be an issue
Like I said, the greek plane circled until it ran out of fuel; everyone on board was out cold.
Normally, provided the pressurization is ok, and fuel levels are fine then the alarm clock should work it out
Seban, we won't destroy the market. Oil prices, errant russian interceptors, fucked up US missile tests and aeroflot pilots allowing their kids to take the controls will destroy the market
Aircraft accidents are spectacular and can kill a lot of people at once, that is why they show up in news. The accident statistics is very good actually.
But: Who said they stopped building mountains? It is just a bit slow business these days.
I was joking I don't think the market is gonna be destroyed at all. We're not gonna go back to sailing boats as a way of moving around!
As far as mountain-building is concerned I'm not too worried either... If they want their 10km high mountain it's gonna take some evolutionary steps to create a human capable of climbing on it without dying disgracefully. I guess aeronautical engineering will have done some progress to in the mean time!
The international civil aviation organization requires for all airliners to be equipped with TCAS to avoid mid-air collisions. The problem is when a pilot chooses to obey the air traffic controller while the other one follows the TCAS instructions, as it happened over switzerland a few years ago...
yes that's true aircraft with less than 30 passenger seats are not always required to have it fitted.. but if i understand the system correctly it should be able to detect any planes that have a transponder (switched on and on the right settings) in the vicinity... i shall be investigating that! I'm afraid this conversation might bore the hell out of people who don't care about airplanes... but then I don't understand it.. aircraft are just FASCINATING! ok i'm a freak
That's a shame.. I thought your point was good! stupid military regulations!
maybe you could have flown a 50 year old B-52 (Big Ugly Fat F**ker) at 40000 ft and Mach 0.8.. don't know if you need any colour vision for that.. but it wouldn't be exactly as exciting.
Canucky I have flown into many Indian airports the worst Delhi . We were landing and my side of the plane, the left side was pointing down the runway . At the last minute the pilot turned the nose down the runway and we landed safely. Another time I was flying to Florida and all the engines went out except one, we made a fast descent[ dive] and landed in Atlanta surrounded by firetrucks. Thats the fun of flying , i would rather drive thank you .
Comments (59)
To post a comment, you need to login or signup.