Thank God that one kid in black has a brain ... kind of shows the averages out though ... it's all part of the plan folks ... keep em dumb and they'll follow like the sheeple we are !
I think it's just your memory.. Cause she have had to know if she graduated college and i'm sure if she had ample time, she probably could've remember.. i think.. i may be giving her tooo much credit... dunno..
and i think you guys helped us out in the war and i tip my hat to that.. Smashing the Germans with us
I would say it's a question of what's profitable. We are educating our children through mass media without even realizing it, and mass media is primarily used to advertise. Schools have become obsolete as a result. Mass media is establishing priorities in childrens lives, whereas schools are simply regarded as a period of time to be endured.
Case in point: The i-pod. The i-pod is an essential fashion accessory. It's wierd not to have one. Somehow, it's become not only acceptable, but "civilalized" to tune out the world around you.
Look at cars. Mass media is far more successful at teaching our kids that it's pretty damn crucial that you own a car. At the same time schools try to teach kids that war is bad, taking advantage of people is bad, pollution is bad, etc. Who is winning?
Also, the problem is heriditary and evolutionary. The kids that learn bad habits (behave acceptable as dictated by mass media) today not only teach it to their own children, but can also become influential enough in mass media industry to dictate what is acceptable behavior.
It's all about money and power. We all know it shouldn't be, but we rarely does anyone actually do something about it without becoming a social outcast.
I gave her five minutes to answer the question (the correct answer, of course, being Germany, Japan and Italy; she couldn't even get ONE right). And yes, you are correct in Canada fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with our American cousins. This is what's happening now in Afghanistan, but sadly, very little coverage of it in the mainstream media (there OR here).
Hey Canuck, you forgot to mention Hungary, Romania, the Slovak Republic, Bulgaria, Croatia (particularly nasty fascists they were) and, of course, the Vichy French (collaborators). How many Canadian airmen were betrayed by those two-faced traiterous yellow frogs I wonder?
Actually Andy, there WERE quite a few airmen of the R.C.A.F. who were turned over to the Nazis by French collaborators, after they were shot down. Gutless pricks. And yes, you are quite corerct in naming those other tribes...BUT....Germany, Itlay and Japan were the "official" Axis Powers. Those other ones were small-fry, who were either Nazi satellites, or simply took a pathetic opportunity the Nazis gave them, and thereby used that status to grind their own axe against their traditional enemies (the Croats vs. the Serbs, for example).
You asked a gal the question and she said "I don't know." You didn't specify which country she lives in. If it was the U.S. than it could be just the U.S. education system. I'm going to "assume" (such a horrible thing to do) that you asked a Canadian who Canada was at war with in WWII.
This is what happens when you let the 'State' take over anything. Decay, waste, deterioration, breakdown, disintegration, and eventual collapse. Vote RP!
This is precisely what happens when the State is in charge of education. (Which is why the Constitution does not imply or instruct a Federal Education department.)
The more cynical believe a dumbing down is by design, in State run edumacation. (More ignorami, more dependents, more argument for State management.)
Streamer, Get with the program. When the constitution was written people lived miles from each other. There was no infrastructure then. Kinda like the original bill of rights didn'tmake any allowance for desegregated busing. There were NO BUSES dickwad....
Your video is great in exposing a problem but your conclusions as to the cause and the solution is very limited. It is itself and example of the lowering of logical thought taught in schools. I do not mean to be harsh but look deeper before coming to the conclusion you have identified.
For example you find fault with the states having control of education and see the solution being a more central Federal control.
The logical flaw is 50 states would “likely” produce 50 different outcomes just as 50 different nations have 50 different outcomes in their education. You gave England and India as examples but did not look for that in the 50 states. I assume the overall dummying down is across the country in all 50 states but that is an assumption.
First look at the trend across the 50 states, if nation wide the problem must be something else. One possible answer: The central government is controlling more than you assume. Another possible answer is cultural trends, both in the society in general as well as a subgroup that has disproportionate influence in the public schools such as teachers and colleges.
Look hard at Federal influence and see if state control is influenced by regulations, funding, and court mandates.
Look also at the culture. Does the culture think highly of the highly educated? What trends are the education professionals promoting? Look at these trends over time.
You can do much the same with all the conclusions you mention and you will see many things are creating the very problem you cite.
I doubt the testing system is the real problem. A close look at a test to “GET” into high school in 1910 would make a college graduate weep. The problem has been in the works for a century and this trend has been across the country. In 1910 not every student was expected to get a high school degree. A man with a 6th grade education could read what one expects from that grade level but today a man with a college degree could not tell me what the Federalist Papers say about the rights of states or why pure democracy was dangerous.
I used to ask college graduates if they had to read that in college and never ran across a single one who said “Yes” he or she had to read it, including one who had a degree in criminology. No wonder so few are bothered by a court ruling such as Kelso v New Haven. Your solutions show a real lack in understanding in civics and basic government. You recognize that the Constitution does not mention education. It does in the 10th Amendment but not by name. Read it and you will see why it does not need to. Read the Federalist Papers and see why.
The problem is even lawyers are taught to ignore the 10th Amendment when taking their bar exam. It is never the right answer no matter the question on the law, or so the bar exam coaches tell you. If they do not teach lawyers this what makes you think they want an educated public.
mitos i do not understand what you are attempting to argue. you pose many questions and criticize then draw an occasional conclusion (from an assumption) but offer little proof otherwise. please be more candid
So dick, you know the Federalist Papers and I'm fluent in 3 languages. Does that mean you're smart and I'm not? I am and you're not? No, we are all diversifying like a mofo- our world is ever more complex. We're smart at our own thing. The problem is in the comparison. Look at countries like South Korea where parents force students to study from sun-up until they go to bed to pass standardized tests. America is great because we are creative, we're innovators, and generally we're pretty damn smart when and where it counts. I'm proud of our country, tests be damned.
“I do not understand what you are attempting to argue”
I was not attempting to argue but I was attempting to get them to think where they got their conclusions. I implied they were picking them up from the same system that is doing the dumbing down of the public. Their conclusions were based on an error about education and who controls it. I was only offering them a few excuses to ask more questions before coming to their conclusion.
For aardvark
“So dick, you know the Federalist Papers and I'm fluent in 3 languages. Does that mean you're smart and I'm not? I am and you're not? No,…”
Sorry son I did not mean to awaken anyone’s self-esteem issues.
I brought up the Federalist Papers only because it was a basic part of education in this country and would have prevented these students from reaching the conclusions they did. It is a basic civics lesson and it is a shocker to me that people who should know it, due to their profession, do not. It is not their fault if it was never taught to them or even assigned reading. It would be a lawyers fault if he had been assigned that book and then ignored it or forgot the information it provides. His education was not determined by him. God bless him if he sees the fault and makes the remedy himself but that does not help others.
The Federalist Papers was only given as an example. The students do not know it because the teachers do not know it and their college professors do not know it. This problem has been a long time in building.
Self esteem issues are a different topic not directly related to the subject at hand.
1.03 mil, that's sick'ing, what is it, 170 mil $ a day -: 1= $ like I don't know $168.03673 to kill each victim/enemy/poor/in the wrong place at the wrong time. In short, it awful
Ya wonder why todays generation is "dumbed down"? Well, lemme tell ya something (as one small example): when I watched the Commander-Dummy-Guys State Of The Union address the other night, he spoke GLOWINGLY about how Afghanistan was now a "young democracy", right? Yet just six days ago a young Afghan reporter was sentenced to death in Afghanistan and the case points to the return (as some fear) of both judicial extremists and the continuing power of the warlords:
Canuck- No context, no context, no context.
Illiterate, illiterate, illiterate.
Growing/fledgling democracy noes not equal democracy. Please, for the love of all who can understand English, read about how countries (USA being one) develop into a democracy or a republic. It happens over generations and it is ugly...involving clashes of ideologies, leaders, cultures...You have shown yourself to be utterly indifferent to processes, time and context.
Further, it is not the duty of Congress to call the shots in a war. (This would be a great time to read my nation's Constitution and see where the powers are shared and when the (OMG) Commander in Chief has to call shots.)
Remember, C...tell the truth here and you will be rewarded with honest dialogue.
You said it before: Saddam wasn't the bad guy, GWB was/is.
What the educational system needs desperately is a return to the classics where critical thought was at the top of the agenda. Case in point: Canuck, the Regurgitator.
Your reasoning is impregnable. Yeah, not a war going on there, its simply an occupation.
Thank goodness there is an election where all the candidates are singing your tune.
BTW-remember when Congress voted to give GWB the authority?
(You do, but that kills any point you think you have. Hey, was that Constitutionally allowable?)
C-
How many times have we used troops when no declaration was made? Is it allowable in the Constitution? What part of the Constitution allows for our troops being controlled by NATO (Serbia-your favorite cause) or UN? How would our Constituition be used to send troups to Darfur?
Serbia was about the only example in recent history when a military intervention was just and resulted in a positive outcome. And it was not only the USA acting there.
And talking about constitutions: Germany has a constitution that expressly forbids it to use our troops for anything but self defense (historical reasons should be obvious), so what are we doing in Afghanistan?
There is quite a difference between a UN mission in an area of civil war and assault on a souvereign country.
Bug...are you sure about that?
What part of our Constitution or yours authorizes its military to be under the control of another authority?
So, other country's civil wars are ok...just not defense of our own country.
Is that what I am reading in your comments?
Please say no.
You are always reading what you want to read instead of what is written...
Humanitarian missions are OK, self defense is OK, but raping a country for its resources is a fucking crime. GWB and his minions should be put in custody and charged by the international court.
Whew.
Thanks, Bug. I knew you would effectively clear that up.
So, who defines humanitarian? Your humanitarian mission may not be mine. I do know this: you have no place to root your humanitarian causes. It is purely subjective to you.
Our Constitution says nothing about the questions I asked you AND you made no attempt at answering them. Like canuck, it boils down to this: If you like a war, you rationalize it on any and all a contrived ground. If you dislike it, you do so for the same rationalizations.
Japan did attack the USA before the USA went after them. And if the USA had not supported Russia and England then Germany would have sacked all of Europe and probably gone for the USA next. I am not yet talking about the atrocities that had to be stopped.
So allied actions in WWII were definitely in self defense and humanitarian interest. The one thing that could be asked there is: Why did the USA take so long to start action?
But how do you justify: Vietnam Grenada Panama Nicaragua
Even the Taliban are a US creation as is bin Laden.
Bug...let's make one thing clear: It is pure mythology and legend that the Taliban and/or UBL are direct or indirect creations of the CIA. Please. That has been debunked so many times that you undermine any remaining credibility you have by citing those defeated canards.
Now, I don't defend the wars you mentioned on the same grounds as I defend Iraq. I was attacking your rationale, which seemed to be: sovereign nations cannot be attacked unless they directly attack us first. (sounds stupid when said outloud.)
So, if we had found out about Japan's intent to bomb Pearl Harbor, would we have been right to strike first? (Follow this one out to its logical end.)
Finally, there are other reasons that bring about war that have nothing to do with first strikes and threats. You and Canuck have a hard time distinguishing.
Pearl Harbour: It was kinda stupid of the USA to be caught with their pants down the way it happened.
But it quite nicely illustrates a big US American weakness: The total inability to understand other nations. Having some guy in the intelligence service learning Japanese language is simply not sufficient, like having only few dozen people in CIA capable of Arabic.
And mythology and debunking: Your wishful thinking, nothing else.
But only a few inches above you said it was not a war.
When things suit an absurb point, you use them. When they contradict your position you are left with sarcasm.
Though the distinction is somewhat lost on me when looking at it from the viewpoint of a country being attacked. On the other hand it should mean something to the people in a democratic country that did the attack.
Canuck...so many hits on the head with my frying pan has made you delirious.
Actually, your self-absorption is what makes you delirious...oh, and not being able to sort through nuance, context and things like that.
Did I mention self aggrandizement?
You may have the last word here since that is what calls you.
I bulieve that the, uhh, Amerikans and such, are sum of the smartest because of George dubya. We, the Amerikans joined together with the Kalifornians can make shoes for China.
A short story. I don't write well but I have to tell ya all this one.
During winter Xgames at mt snow I was a patroler, This kid got hurt(minor) his last name was Palmer. He was 20-25, very rich, had world records in speed stuff, motocy's, he skied, snowboard, free fall, base jumping and any other way to kill ones self.
As I was treating him, he said "i have to be in new hampshire tue, is it a long ride?" Depends what do you thing is long I asked ? He said well how many states do I have to drive through?
I told him to get a map.
So, that young and ,,,anyway you get the story
These are 18 year olds doing a class project pretending they know something about education. They just know how to pick out negative statistics to seem smart.
Grow up, get educated, then comment on education.
people under 20 don't care about old stuff, did u when u were 18 ?all I cared about was getting blown or laid by the opposite sex ...the bigger the breasts the better!
"of the 12 California state university colleges, 60% of students need remediation; a Florida study showed at least 70% of recent high school graduates need remedial courses when they enter community college - - in other words, they need to learn material they should have mastered in public high school - but did not - -." Source: USA Today, pg. 14A, November 24, 1997.
CSUS press release "California SAT scores dip, mirroring national trend Oakland Tribune, Aug 29, 2006 by Grace Rauh, STAFF WRITER It could be the writing section, the more advanced math questions or the lengthening of the new SAT by 45 minutes.
But whatever the reason, one thing is certain -- the average SAT score for last year's college-bound seniors dropped by the greatest number of points in 31 years.__"
Since 1965 cali has spent more than 50% of the entire state budget on education, resulting in constantly diminishing returns, that is huge. on top of that last year taxpayers voted to bond $10billion for education,
Chuck--you have made a great point. Spending on education has gotten us where, in the USA? No one is smarter because more money was spent. Values have changed, and education has slipped on the priority list, both culturally and societally.
This is a transliteration in any case, so there is a kind of standard for writing his name but it varies with the language, in Germany we write "Ghandi".
Its not the kids that are messed up. It's the system.
Teachers are given the ultimatum to teach standardized tests to get their students to pass or else they lose their job. It's not a requirement that k-12 students a certain amount of standardized tests in order to graduate in Virginia.
Teachers can't really do anything about it because it's either they teach the test and make their students pass or they get fired and dont get tenure, and as a result they never instruct on a basis on true values of learning. You can't teach a test and expect students to really learn something valuable out of the class.
It's also that assclown's No Child Left Behind act, decreases education funding by crazy amounts and states as a result are crippled with lack of resources for public education. No Child Left Behind my ass!
Hell if I were in school when they made you pass standardized tests to graduate, I'd be fucked. I'm not a good standardized test taker, I never was. I remember as a child I used to bubble in Vs.
Its a bunch of bullshit and I say give the teachers the ultimate power to decide what to teach and what not to teach. For God's sake most are required to get a Masters in Education, so why don't they let them apply their Masters degree material in schools for conducive learning.
Here's the difference... these teachers grew up hearing about these leaders. In 30 years, when these kids are teachers themselves, they will be shocked when their students have never heard of Clinton. Saddam Hussein. Whoever... and the cycle will continue. Ask the teachers to defrag a fucking hard drive, and watch the kids make fun of them right back. They should just STFU and teach, not make the kids feel dumb.
Not quite. Edison was not exactly contemporary for todays teachers, Gandhi neither (killed in 1948). Of course the lesser of the "historic" figures will fade from memory and general history lessons.
I think you could look at it this way. The U.S. has a war to fight and they are running out of cannon fodder. So a good idea is to take cash away from the education budget, and plough it into the army, thus starving education of its much needed resources, so then the kids get fed up of school and start to drop out. The drop outs then have no qualifications, so look to the army for their future, hence the army gets its cannon fodder.
Uneducated cannon fodder is easy to control (here is a gun, point and shoot at anything that moves). What a great nation you live in.
Does any1 know whats with the sudden surge of spammers very annoying and could see it ruining our comment section what can we do about this problem thats disrupting my non existing life??????????
(I mean let's be sensible here....HE don't like'em, because it only reminds him that he's in a VERY small club....in other words, MORE people see sensibility than HE does)
Riight...because the movement of the masses is historically described as "sensible."
Which is it, C: Adulation from the "masses" that you need or inclusion with the elitists? Or, both?
Hmmmm...this is intersting. If you could be part of the elitists, then you might be adored by the masses, whom you deem to be geniuses for loving you as much as you do.
What would you do?
How would you respond?
What makes you think the (besides making strawman arguments) US would want to get involved?
Wait, you answered your own question...so, why did you post it again?
"Cali, actually I sort of like the idea of the war...you know, risking/laying down your life for your neighbor/brother, or the off-colored man you don't know. A cool concept when you think about it."
----------A Great quote from Streams Posse, nicely backing up my viewpoint.
Thanks guys!!
See, Stream??
So smarten the fuck up, and try doing some altruistic GOOD for a change!!!
He also forgot to mention the car crashes, snakebites and lawsuits.
This really is a silly point to make.
I suppose you don't understand that birthing a democracy/republic is a tough thing with warring factions and disagreeing parties. Parties that disagree so much that they would rise to violence.
Just like you have threatened me...an axe and a tranquilizer gun.
See, you're just like the extremists who don't get their way...violence by way of hissyfit.
OHHH NOOOOO STREEEAAAMMMM!!! Remember what I told you a couple of months back? Well, guess who is DEFINITELY leaving Georgie-Boys fucked-up party as well:
Did you read the article? Obviously not.
Did you catch the part about going to Afghanistan and "helping in other ways?"
This is hardly news.
Please read the stuff you send. Further, Australia makes its own decisions and has enthusiastically backed us and mirrored many of our sentiments and positions on the war.
streamlined " Australia makes its own decisions and has enthusiastically backed us and mirrored many of our sentiments and positions on the war" - correction - johnie howard had is ass so far up GWB that he couldnt see or tell what the majority of australians wanted to do.
Why ya givin' Mr. Teeny there the gears like that? Huh? All he did was voice an intelligent opinion on how a certain leader got raked over the coals and losing his job for even being SEEN with Georgie-Boy.
MrteenyIQ- How are you so familiar with what is up GWB's pooper? Is this an area of your expertise or just a passion? i keep trying to respond to you streamlined IQ but my posts are getting cut short. Anyway canuck1963 has you pegged!
canuck1963 once again your wisdom has enlightened me your right moms a sacred. But streamlined can be so OBTUSE. he hit below the belt first but your right my dad once told me if you walk with a donkey you become a donkey so i shouldnt go to streams level.english is my 2nd language so i had to look up - behooves thats a new word for me thanks canuck1963.
Illiteracy moment...Canuck, go back and read what I wrote when I referenced your mom. It was not a maternal slam. I simply acknowledged that she chose not to abort you, for which you should be grateful.
I think you are still angry at that. All because you misunderstood what I wrote and its context.
So, you didn't go back and read it.
I have to blame the reader here...as often is the case, your reading skills are less than grade school, C. Just like when you send articles that, by headline, support your views but then don't read the article itself, that often times, doesn't.
C- Point of correction.
You keep referring to me as a neocon. You are very, very mistaken. I am a conservative who sees a small role for the Fed Gubment. The neocons see an active Fed Gubment. (This includes GWB, and it makes me sick.)
But, keep showing your ignorance, bigotry and illiteracy...keeps me coming back.
STREAM! OH NO! YOUR good buddies, the Saudis, seem to have....well.....stabbed the Commander-Dummy-Guy in the back.
What nerve. Stream!
Aren't the Saudis kinda YOUR favourites, there Stream?
Ain't THEY supposed to be YOUR buds?
You know...the theocratic dictatorship that Georgie-Boy shows so much gosh-darn love for? The counrty that is NUMERO UNO in breeding the kinds of folks who LOVE to kill Americans??
Why would they want to help. They can just stand by and watch the US bleed itself to death by pouring all its wealth and energy into the sand.
It's very much like Napoleon in Moscow he knew he couldn't hold it, and the Russians knew he couldn't hold it. Just wait, and let the environment win the war.
I see you are still a racist.
AQ = Saudi's...so, all Saudi's are bad.
Also, don't you whine and moan when people confuse governments and people when they complain?
Thank goodness they went in there for "humanitarian reasons" and "WMD's".....huh, Stream?
My favourite part in the whole item was this (it's a real gas!):
"....... It may opt, instead, for a partnership with an oil services company, such as Halliburton or Schlumberger, which would then supply the technical expertise to develop the field and related pipelines to Syria for processing and export."
Some recommended reading: Daniel Yergin - The Prize
While he concentrates a bit too much on accounting all reasons for comflicts to oil he definitely does a fine documentary of the history of the oil industry and the ruthless political power play for it. Also it gives you a good idea why many people in the Persian gulf do not exactly like the USA.
One at a time for the beleaguered:
1. The Pakistani Judiciary...what is the point? Mussharef is an ally for the time being. GWB has chosen not to press this issue until after the elections. Why do you have a problem with this? You are an amazing intellect, next to MrTeenyWeeny. Here is your hypocricy on Pakistan exposed: You claim you want us there to pursue UBL, since that is where he is. If so, I assume you would want to do this with as much cooperation form the current gubment there. So, why do you gleefully attempt to show our love for a "dictatorship" as a bad thing, when you have been asserting that is where our focus should be?
2. Since you quoted something in this article beyond the headlines, I assume you read it all. That article was one of the best supports for our being there and what we would like to do. (Don't know if you caught the part about security improving in the previously war-torn area...I know you did because you are so literate.) Would it be a bad thing for those oil/gas reserves to be developed by the Iraqis? You obviously believe so.
Keep 'em poor and stupid, eh C?
3. Carpetbagger: Commentary and analysis citing Rahm Emmanuel. Need I say more. It was a petty hitpiece for the sheep.
Who said your Saudi friend Bin Laden was in "Pakistan"???
I mean, it's not like Georgie-Boy actually put in an EFFORT to actively LOOK FOR HIM, now is it? Come to think of it, he DID say that he "just don't think about him much, anymore."
Canuck...can you not see nuance or context?
Allies are never perfect. We are not perrfect Allies to other countries. (BTW- Intel suggests that UBL has been in Pakistan and that AQ still has a strong influence in places in Pakistan. What do you suppose is the best way to deal with Mussharef?)
Bug- Saddam was never an "ally", like he was to the French. We chose to support Iraq in their war with Iran, knowing full well we were choosing the lesser of two evils. You know this.
Well, when you and your Posse mudsling and hurl vicious diatribes against REAL friends and traditional allies (like, ohhhhh, lemme see...us?), whilst giving a repressive theocratic dictatorship a repeated pass......
Saddam was never an ally? What about Reza Pahlawi?
Any idea why the poeple (not necessarily the governments) in the Persian Gulf region especially don't like the USA and UK?
Whatever the solution to the problems in the Middle East may be, it has to begin with the USA and most of Europe sincerely apologizing to the people (again not the governments, at least not all of them) of the region for the pain and sorrow they brought down on them for about a century.
What to do about Mussharef? Maybe ask him to stick to their constitution? Ah, maybe the USA is in no good position to do that now.
And Intelligence, which? The guys who disregarded the warnings about the 9/11 attackers when the German Bundesnachrichtendienst told them that these guys are going to the USA?
Canuck: You really are a miracle. You have, by implication, suggested ALL intel be tossed because some of it is wrong/subject to change/outdated/etc...without offering an alternative. Easy to do while spending enormous volumes of time behind a computer. My intel originally told me that you were relatively intelligent. However, after heavier scrutiny, I will have to reconsider my premature observations. (I notice you only offer sarcasm and nothing more.)
Bug- Honestly, Pahlavi was the heir (still is, I suppose) to the Iranian throne. How does that undermine my claim that Iraq was never really an ally? (Ally, being an overstatement about our relationship to Iraq in the late 70's and 80's)
And, if Mussharef says "no" to our request of Constitutional fealty...then what? Do we simply abandon our relationship? You two need desparately to see that relationships are rarely perfect.
(Yuk- I just pictured the two of you in the video of guys acting out a kissing scene.)
Kim Jong il is the heir of Kim Il sung, why does the USA have a problem with him?
Read up a bit about the history of Iran and the USA, the interesting part starts in the middle of the 20th century. Pahlavi had been removed from his throne, but the USA helped to reinstall him.
The USA was providing weapons and Saddam was throwing them at Iran, that is no alliance?
Nuance, Bug.
My fault. Like all allies, some are better than others. Iraq, at the time, was the lesser of two evils...but, not an ally.
I know nuance is tough. That is why reading about Iran in the latter half of the 20th century, with regard to Pahlavi, shows the depth and complxity of international relationships, Bug.
Yes, I was asking about Kim Jong il. According to your interpretation of the relation between the USA and Reza Pahlavi you should have no problem with him.
Actually the historical situation between Iran and USA is not that complex, it is just very dirty and the dirt is on the US side. Simple and short: The USA helped to kill the fledgling democracy in Iran and reinstalled the tyrant. The motivation behind this was that the Iran wanted to have its decent share of the oil wealth instead of getting just crumbs off the table of the international oil multis. In short they disowned the oil companies which Pahlavi did fix as soon as he was back in control.
So everything was back to normal: The populace was kept poor and uneducated, the monarch reinstalled on his peacock throne and anyone who objected was dealt with by the royal secret service.
Now do you have any glimpse of a remote idea why the Iranians may dislike the USA just a tiny little bit?
But, like, we've been hearing that for five fuckin' YEARS now. What's the solution? Occupy them forever? At some point, this friggin' insanity has to stop....SOMEHOW.
As to why it takes roughly eight weeks to put a young Marine through Basic Infantry, and why it takes going on five years to train an Iraqi army...I dunno.
Maybe the One-Who-Has-Never-Worn-A-Uniform can tell us.
Bug- You made a very salient point.
Canuck- Your yellow is showing. As I read your irrational comments, it goes something like this: "I know it has to end sometime because there must be a stopping point we can predict and control. So, to heck with reason, I am stopping this war now! Who's with me?!"
The sensical thing would have been to never do the invasion.
But now the only option is to stay in place, make sure the troops are not behaving like the retards that made it into some videos here, but like sensible persons like our ranger.
Pulling out the private security thugs and the "contractors" who just fill their pockets instead of getting real work done is an essential step. And bringing in massive help for rebuilding the infrastructure.
"Most of the world?" Did you get that from one of your reliable polls.
Actually, I don't doubt a lot of truth in that. But, again, being popular is not important to people who do what they think is right. Only to people like you who desparately need the approval and adulation of others.
I think I am voting for Monica Lewinski's boyfriend's wife.
Ya...and those numbers are a product of left-wing, terror-symp propaganda sources...because as we all know, the only real "truth" comes from the White House spokesperson.
Good call, Canuck.
They weren't there before the invasion in their current numbers...but some of them trained there. Further, they are there because they cannot have a democracy take root...particularly one that is secular in nature.
I seem to remember that you hated burgeoning theocracies.
"I think I am voting for Monica Lewinski's boyfriend's wife" - streamlined IQ if the worst that george W did was to get a blow job from a willing women (besides thats a problem between Bubba and his wife) you wouldnt have to be defend the monumental FUCKUPS that GWB has committed. Another thing more $ was spent on that witch hunt than the deliberate lies that GWB has committed. that is totally screwed up people are being murdered for oil you cretin admit it - if gift wrap shit its still always SHIT!!
You're right, C.
I suppose since George Soros told you they didn't train there(aid and comfort to an injured Zarqawi) and that Saddam didn't tolerate religious extremism (except when he paid the families of suicide bombers, but other than that, he did not suffer the religious zealots.) then that is all you need.
MrTeenyWeinie--how was school today? I hope your day was good and that the teachers didn't assign too much homework. What did mommy pack for lunch?
Canuck...you really ought to follow this story. OReilly's claim may be true...Edward's claim may be true. Why attach this to me...other than to pull your pants up believing that I think OReilly would be correct. (No one has lied with the alacrity of John Edwards nor with greater self interest. Well, maybe Michael Moore.)
BTW-the argument OReilly makes is NOT a slam of veterans, but is a slam on Edwards and his numbers. Please think. Attack OReilly's facts, like mine, but to say he was attacking veterans is a joke.
Okay, Stream. One more for you, and I'll let this one stand as my nuclear bomb, re: your insipid belief (amongst other things) about the "success" of Georgie-Boys so-called "surge":
Suppose you didn't read that article either.
The man writing it is very smart. He structures his aruments as simple either/or propositions in situations that have multifarious possibilities. (Even his summary is simplistic.)
However, I do agree with many of his facts...just not the conclusions.
This article was a dream come true for you since you have no capabilities of nuance, middle ground or anything that is not AGIN' THE WAR!...and, this guy framed it just like that.
I remember that one video where the teacher drew four options (the global warming one) and "logically" concluded that we should assume global warming is manmade and catastrophic. You loved its logic becaue it was just so simple.
See, keep it simple, limit choices and you are golden.
OH LOOKIEE STREAM! Here are TODAYS headlines out of Iraq. This is just for TODAY. Meaning....ONE DAY. This is what its like EVERYDAY.
Now....what was that about a "surge"?
Thursday: 1 US Soldier, 20 Iraqis Killed; 20 Iraqis Wounded
Updated at 5:30 p.m. EST, Jan. 31, 2008
For the third day in a row, Baghdad saw a number of small bombings. One explosion killed an American soldier. At least 20 Iraqis were killed or found dead and 20 more were wounded in attacks across the country. Meanwhile, the head of a parliamentary committee warns of the dire consequences facing Iraqi war widows. Also, military authorities reported that military suicides are up by as much as 20 percent, while Bush administration officials released stricter rules to govern security contractors in Iraq.
In Baghdad, three policemen and three civilians were killed during a roadside bombing in Zayouna. A pair of roadside bombs targeting a convoy on Palestine Street wounded three bodyguards who work for the electricity minister. A roadside bomb killed three people and wounded six more in Kadhimiya. Four people were wounded during a roadside bombing in Ghadeer. In Karrada, a roadside bomb wounded two civilians. Also, two dumped bodies were found.
Rockets landing on the British base in Basra injured three British soldiers. British officials denied that a helicopter was destroyed during attacks.
A suspected al-Qaeda leader was killed during a raid on his home in Khalis.
A severed head was found in Suleiman Pek.
A car bomb was detonated near a hospital in Mosul, but no casualties were reported. Two dumped bodies were recovered. A second car bombing left two wounded. Also, nine suspects were detained, and five university students were kidnapped.
Near Mosul in Hamdaniya, three unidentified bodies bearing gunshot wounds were found.
Six people were kidnapped at a fake checkpoint in Khaneqeen.
Two civilians were wounded during clashes in Baquba. Also, two women, who are cousins to the governor of Diyala, were abducted from a fake checkpoint b
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