Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
'Well isn't this nice...'
And isn't it ironic ... don't you think
"Ya seein' that, ya seein' any o'those, nice ones, nice eh? alright" I must admit there's something about a woman that likes to show them off!
Alanis is freaky. BTW, her song Ironic, none of the things that she sings about in that song are ironic, just unfortunate. The only ironic thing is the fact that the person singing the song doesn't know the meaning of irony.
Here's mt criteria.............if you take your screen name to mock another..................yer gone. If you are yet another Canuck bashing alias..............yer gone.............if you're just crude for crude sake, well, you guessed it.......yer gone. Glumbert stopped policing this site after Daniel left. No excuse to make it a free-for-all for dumbasses. Like me or hate me, too bad. No "freedom of speech for all", just a nice place for decent people to have fun. Get with it or get toasted.
no, your rationale is predictably wrong ..i object to those who would take it upon themselves to decide what is best for the great unwashed....like myself ....why is it that the dullest members of a society will always gravitate to positions or institutions that seek to limit the expression of others.... .... you lack the intellect, ability and authority to decide what is best for others
Chuck, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. So far I have found that most here appreciate the effort. How many times have you responded to a post only to realize after the fact that you just responded to a clone. I am not here to censor, just to "gently" nudge a few hold outs who refuse to come up with an original name instead of attempting to mislead. You may be surprised at how many of these are zapped long before I get to them. If none of these aliases are you, I humbly apologize. Generally enjoy your posts.
wouldn't life be easier if we all had a 7second delay. They should have cen's the cottage cheese thing, 1st time in a long time a woman takes her pants off in front of me and it's her, my luck is all irish.
i just read a really funny article by C. Hitchens, about how utterly fukin stupid ronald reagan was...i think some might enjoy it.... http://www.slate.com/id/2101842/ includes such classics as ..." Ronald Reagan used to alarm his Soviet counterparts by saying that surely they'd both unite against an invasion from Mars. Ronald Reagan used to alarm other constituencies by speaking freely about the "End Times" foreshadowed in the Bible. In the Oval Office, Ronald Reagan told Yitzhak Shamir and Simon Wiesenthal, on two separate occasions, that he himself had assisted personally at the liberation of the Nazi death camps."...ha and you thought bush was stupid...
On May 13th, 2008, I will NOT being going to Kuala Lumpur, okay? LMFAOOO!! You guys are too much!! LMFAO!
No.....instead.....here's what I have been appointed to:
By Order of the Chancellory Office of The Governor-General of The Dominion of Canada and the Parliament of the Federal Government......
I am to be hereby decorated with the Exemplary Service Medal.
THANK YUH! THANK YUH! THANK YUH VURY MUCH!
I shall be as Caesar....crossing the Rubicon: I came...I saw....I conquered....and I drank heavily.
Calls of congratulations continue to pour in from all corners of the globe, including from a certain Texan-wannabee in Washington ("They're giving YOU a goddamn medal??? I HOPE YOU DIE!!"); Speilberg keeps calling me to do this "Close Encounters" sequel-thingy, but I keep on saying "STEVE! I'm NOT interested because you won't make me one of the Greys, so BUG OFF!!Okay???"
(Ahhh, what the hell; the wife's all excited about it, and I said "Look at it this way: it's a night out and a free meal"....LOL!)
when does glumberty give ya an Exemplary Service medal?
Congrads, bring it( the medal) to the hill town and with an additional $5 american we'll give ya coffee and a small blueberry muffin,LOL.
At state dinners never eat the cheese!
Congrats C, I'm sure you earned it...you know what my next question is...what's it all about? What did you do?
Which medal is it?
The Police Exemplary Service Medal
Corrections Exemplary Service Medal
Fire Services Exemplary Service Medal
Canadian Coast Guard Exemplary Service Medal
Emergency Medical Services Exemplary Service Medal
Peace Officer Exemplary Service Medal
To which I know your reply....sorry TMI for the alias predatory scum bags to feast upon.
The wife must be proud (bet you get lucky), have fun, enjoy our night!
Lookit what Canadaman wrote on my message profile!:
"I emailed a psychologist friend the musing of your adversary backbone .
Here is what she said.
B/B abhors strong intelligent males.If B/B is a female she has been demeaned by family males either husband , brothers or close male relative.
If B/B is a male ,he has a defeatist attitude and is either a latent homosexual or is still in the closet, afraid to come out. Or B/B is a great impostor . You pick the one that fits."
ROTFLMFAO!
(He said he wasn't kidding....it's for real....so there ya go! LOL!)
I don't think Bbone is any of the above C, I do think after any bigtime accident a person could be a bit on edge and deserviely so. I also think a post at another website was the start of all the negetive stuff.
Reaching otu is always easier than pushing. I should talk right?
Mr. BB there right from the get-go, came out swinging, with a lot of nonsensical racist, homophobic, hate-driven rhetoric, aimed primarily at brownlove. Now, that's from THE GET-GO. He has further compounded his own problems on this site, by repeatedly waving around swastikas and various White Supremist causes. Now this is due to one of two things: he really isn't this way, and he's doing it to just get a rise out of everyone; or...he really IS this way, and is just too ignorant and clueless to be aware of it. To this day, he either will not or can not see/accept the philosophy of cause-and-effect. Even Mako has told him this over and over again. He STILL doesen't get it (or plays like he dosen't). It becomes all the more pathetic, when he insists on playing the whole "I'm-the-victim-they're-picking-on-me" role, especially considering this is the the quagmire HE'S created for himself to begin with.
Plus, an unhealthy fixation on everything I SAY or do or copying whatever style I have at the time, only adds to people looking at this person and scratching their heads, thinking "Jeez....what's this guys problem??" Truth be told, I'd be quite happy if he'd even say "Canuck...I think you're an asshole, so I'm going to just completely ignore you from now on." Can YOU see that happening any time soon? I think not. Nope. No way.
He may or may not have been in "an accident"; either one believes him....or one does not. I choose not. Simple as that. This is something I decided, given his past history here, with a complete absence of credibility. Had I believed this, then of course I wouldn't be making a "dig" about it (to use his phrase). But because I do not....I am cavalier about it. I don't believe THAT....I don't believe he's been around for only a "short time"; I don't believe that he hasn't used other "aliases" for a long time now.
So.....who's fault is it, that I have this mistrust/criticism? Mine? Mako's? Miters? Imposterkillers? Bownloves? Anyone elses?
No.
I think we both know the answer to THAT question.
As to the above onformation from Canadaman....I personally think it's funny. That's as far as I'll go on that point.
I abhor folks who lack the guts to take on personal accountability, Gym. ABHOR THEM. I'm speaking in terms of their deeds, words and attitudes.
It's the worst---WORST---form of abject cowardice I know.
And it goes hand-in-hand....with blissful, blind stupidity.
And those are MY thoughts on the matter.
YOU want to believe him? Take him at face-value? Then I shall respect that, Sir. Why? Because I have grown to respect YOU. And that is YOUR decision.
Well, Gym, obviously I don't "know what YOU know about Bbone", and considering that this is information of some kind of personal nature that you or he or both are unwilling to share, so therefore I CANNOT feel any different.
So until such time as this knowledge becomes shared, your defence of this.....person.....seems rather hollow....yes? And if you want to continue to enable this/his facade....then as I said.....that's YOUR decision.
canuck YOU MAKE ME LAUGH I read the post with a huge grin on my face for a intelligent noble humble man you really are stupid.
You and I began our recent "war-fare" after you corrected my spelling which is fine BUT when I pointed out numerous spelling errors of yours you had a mental break down go back and read the posts.
PS: My personal accountability and stature as a person well I am more than prepared to stand that up against you anytime Exemplary Service Medal or not.
Remember and I did congratulate you on this award but it is still only civilian maybe I have awards that I won't or can't boast about SEE maybe thats my problem with you Caesar I don't boast about myself and put others down for no reason.
BTW:mako100 and I do not have a problem that I am aware of same with mitercut as for impostkiller he/she (cough miter) as not (*clicked) me so far which is admirable.
So therefore it is only you and I Buddy can't stand the heat hey thats obvious because you keep trying to bring others onto this be the Gorilla I know you can be put that medal on your hairy man-boobs (chest) thump hard and take me on head on don't cower behind others and for your own health Lighten up and yes I was in a serious accident I have even put my own well being at stake to help others.
But hey I wouldn't want to mention that or it could be seen as BOASTING you of all people can understand that.
All hail Caesar *thumps right hand to chest and out stretches it out*
and shouts out - STRENGTH AND HONOR! All hail CAESAR! the wop.
THank you for once again illustrating three things about yourself:
1. You're a fucking whining-ass suck, who STILL don't know ACCOUNTABILITY, and you've shown it by completely ignoring everything I said above. I took you "head on".....and you ran like a gutless pussy. Suck it up.
2. Gym is the ONLY one who sticks up for you...open those droopy-eyelids for once in your ignorant life.
3. You fear me. And you are intimidated by me. Because I'm right about everything I said above. ONE HUNDRED PER CENT.
Plus, it's NOT a "civilian award"; gawd, they should give YOU one for just being what I've always said you were: ignorant and stupid) And no....I don't believe (amongst the gazillion other things about you I don't believe) that for one second you sat there "laughing" and "grinning". No at all. I think I got to you; I think I nailed you; I think I pegged you as the dumb, stupid, lying, greasy puke you've truly been your whole life.
Accident-shmaccident...I don't believe you, okay? Nor do I belive that there's a single altruistic bone in that entire hate-filled carcass of yours, that would even come CLOSE to doing something for anyone. But that's MY fault....right? Oh please shut the fuck up already...awright?
So, really...truly...you can fuck off anytime you please. Honest.
And save your phony "congrats".
I choose to accept this from some of the REAL, SENSIBLE, SANE, and even genuinely FUNNY folks around here (a club of which I do NOT see you as a member of).
So canuck you have now appointed yourself a member of the club which I am not part of (wait a minute I need a tissue sniff sniff).
Please don't let this award get to your head I like the humble canuck.
Leave gymyg out of this.
I don't fear you canuck I think you may fear me I really do and thats why you hate me so much its true isn't you FEAR ME and don't know how to deal with me directly.
Recently you have used Limey, Wog and dago so who is the real RACIST big boy
I have asked you this and the silence is deafening.
I put to this to you Sir did you or did you not use those racist terms.
C some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent and well informed just to be undecided about them, I'll continue to be undecided about everyone that posts here.
that was a Dr laurence Peter's quote I think, and wasn't he a Canuck?
C, can't tell you, sorry. and it was a misquote, I ment to say I try not to think about what or who anyone here is and react only to the posts. My grand daddy said " never call a black door black, there are many colors of paint in the world, just call the door a door.
she was sexy when she 1st came out solo. Hell she still is to me, but I'm a bit old for her and I don't have to worry about it anyway, like it would ever happen.
Gold...don't know the lady, so don't know about short vs long hair. Not bad as she is now, I'd say. Put scratch marks on my laptop screen trying to pull off that damned black bandaid....oh well.
I wonder if either combatant in this tiresome fray is ready to kiss and make up....ok, skip the kiss part...hell, skip the make up part too.
How about an adult interlude...no personally directed comments for, let's say, a week, during which either or both contiue their witty, informed, clever, amusing, etc., posts....just not directed to or aimed at each other.
After a week, perhaps a trial post, politely phrased, where one might comment positively on one of the other's post. AND A WHOLE NEW ERA OF ENLIGHTENMENT SHALL FOLLOW...or at least less hostility.
You both have much to offer but this adolescent anklebiting is indeed, well...adolescent, and as I said (at least for me), tiresome.
BTW, Canuck....hard to fully appreciate an honor one is unfamiliar with, but your award does sound impressive.....congratulations.
You're only like this because one thing, and ONE thing only:
Me.
I'M the enabler here. I'M the one who who keeps not only giving you fuel to keep going and spew your shit....but also the one who keeps putting up with this useless line of crud out of you. So, in that respect, this whole stupid, pointless line banter is quite obviously half my fault.
Now, listen carefully, you mixed-up, nutty stalker:
You've made it a point several times, of saying how relieved you are that your posts haven't been nuked by Imposterkiller, and that he might be "impartial". This may be true. And kudos to him, if that's the case.
However, given what I've just said, I am going to do far, far, FAR worse to you than Imposterkiller can EVER do to you:
I'm going to banish you to radio silence. Totally. Utterly. Completely. I shall take away that which you always grovel, whine and hunger for. You can say whatever you wish....whether it's good, bad, cruel, hostile, complimentary, indifferent, stupid, threatening, lame or even if it's harmless. Whereas I throw even "qlanetint" the odd bone, as if to a starving rabid dog, just for the sake of poking him and keeping him going for my own personal amusement...YOU will not get even THAT much. If someone else wants to humour you....then all the power to them. From me...you will get....nothing. Ever. Just silence. The open forums are yours to say as you wish....but I will continue to delete and/or otherwise ignore your offerings on my personal profile board, and just simply ignore you on the rest of this site altogether. You'll have to find someone else to grovel to, to give you the attention you beg for.
And just to show you I'm a not all that bad a guy, and that I actually DO have a magnanomous nature and generous heart.....
True decadence has inflicted Glumbertia, in the Spenglerian sense. Instead of the possibility of real manly violence between posters, we have devolved into a Junior High lunch table, or worse, a bitchy sewing circle. How unfortunate.
__________ "Wouldn't it be wonderful to take all the evil people and put them over there, then we wouldn't have to deal with them. And all of us good people would stay right here. The problem is that the line separating good and evil cuts right through the human heart." Alexander Solzenitzen
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose...."
back bone did we ramp it up enough? LOL ROTFLOL.
The cornerman[canadaman ]not woman even though I am sure it would be wonderful to be able to have babies and be a mother. Something men will never never know . Canucky GOOD ON U FOR UR MEDAL > WILL I READ ABOUT IT IN THE G&M?
who the fuck is this? oh yeah she had a hit song about 10 years ago,that she didnt write or play any of the instraments,so who fuckin cares what she has to say now...not me
B/B you are one convoluted complicated mass of atoms, try not explode. Take a deep breath hold it,,,,,,,,, then breathe out very slowly .
Do that 50 x and you should repulse the inclunation of imploding...................LOL
First post here for me, although I've been coming to this site for about three or four years. I like glumbert, and occasionally like the comments. Occasionally. Unfortunately, even though - occasionally - there are good conversations, I have found the lot of you to be vicious, backstabbing bastards, who say things that in real life would get you punched in the face, or worse. What you folks seem to engage in is not discourse so much as mindless personal attacks that usually have nothing to do with the video presented and pretty much always devolves into name-calling and poorly thought out arguments about important matters like spelling, or the tv star pundit's usual method of Making The Respondent Look Like A Fool, calling for recursive levels of definitions. Which misses the point. I can spell, I can read, and I can understand that sometimes other people can't. That doesn't mean they can't think. Education does not equal intelligence.
Most of you regular posters use whatever training/education/experiences/belief systems you have and use them as weapons. Centuries of careful thought reduced to a beatem stick. Bludgeoning others to convert them to your way of thinking is conversion by force, and that never ever works. But it's intellectually easier than trying to understand difference, or understand that freedoms (in the western world's sense of the word) include the right to hold differing opinions, ideologies and religions. But difference is Bad, right? 'Cos that's the Other, and the Other is Bad and Scary.
You as a group can claim that you are utilizing your right to freedom of speech but you all descend quickly into nothing more than the reasons those in power point at to curb freedom of speech; hatred, intolerance and bigotry. Mindlessness and puerile attacks, vicious punditry and thoughtless back and forth knife-wielding is not what free speech is all about. What you folks do here is just the unfortunate extension of it. I like glumbert, and sometimes find the videos thought-provoking, but I've (almost) never done anything other than sigh, feel a little sick at the stomach and move on when I read your posts. Can even one of you tell me how hurtful and vicious words do anything to make the world (or this site) a better place?I probably won't reply to any comments (read "attacks") you all will respond with.
Discourse is an art that requires the skillful use of Occam's Razor both towards the other (and its arguments) and towards the self (and its arguments), but the lot of you are more akin to roosters with razors strapped to their legs, blindly hacking at each other until one of the current combatants sickens and dies. Your audience bays at the blood, fear and death, smacks its fattened lips and then responds to dropping levels of adrenaline and moves on the the next battle. That is not thought, that is stimulus/response.
Life is not a war to be won unless we force it to be that way. The internet could be a proving ground for thoughts and ideas, a place where the entire world can communicate, but the glumbert comments are closer to drunks laughing as the library burns and saying to each other, "fuck it, I never read any of those fucking things anyway." You may respond to these words with something akin to "Fuck dude, relax, it's just a video site," but remember that the Internets (and their tubules) record what you've written and keep it. Possibly forever. And even if it's all just in fun, you cheapen us all by your petty, vicious rhetoric. "In the room women come and go/talking of Michaelangelo." (T.S. Eliot.)
"There is one principle that is guaranteed to keep man in everlasting darkness. That principle is contempt prior to investigation." (paraphrase of "Varieties of Religious Experience..") Suspend your contempt-based disbelief and try to actually hear what the other person/persons is/are saying and maybe, just maybe, you'll break out of your intellectual womb/prison and see what people are actually trying to talk about.
So far all I've ever seen here in these nifty comments has made me sick. I don't care where you come from, I don't care what your background is, if you act like an asshole here then you're an asshole everywhere. And that's contempt, toward the other and by extension toward the self. You shit on each other, laugh and walk away, forgetting that shit stinks. So when people like me walk in to your little conversation pits, we see shit everywhere, and the stench of it drives us away.
"When the wise man hears of the Way, he takes it into himself and makes himself one with it. When the intelligent man hears of the Way, he tries to remember the rules of it. When the low man hears of the Way he laughs at it." (Paraphrase of the Dao De Ching)
I guess I'll be the first to post a response here:
Good points. But I do have ONE question for you, though:
Does your argument/point-of-view encompass the concept of "blind judgementalism"?
Now, don't get me wrong; you're perfectly correct when you you say you've observed mindless mud-slinging, bloody "civil wars" in "Glumbertia", folks engaging in hurtful or malicious comments, etc. But I think that in your judgemental zeal, you've come to blithely ignore the "good" aspects of those who interact here (YES, there have been some...maybe not many...but some). We've had a many, many, MANY debates, discourses about whatever you can name: wars, politics, religion, race, and on and on. Sometimes I'VE been a target of mindless and deliberate attacks along with my family or whatever....and yet at other times, I'VE been just as bad as the rest when I "dish it out", so to speak. Unfortunately in the most recent "wave" of attacks....it did get pretty nasty. No doubt about it. BUT....I hardly think that this qualifies YOU (or anyone else, for that matter) to come along and make a sweeping generalization by saying "Yes, this is how they behave in real life, because this is how they behave HERE". Are you being serious? No...really....are you? Does this mean when you go out to see a Robert De Niro movie, you sit ther and actually BELIEVE he's a "mobster" in real life, who kills people? Come on.
A short while ago, one of our regulars here, Mitercut, openly said he'd love to have some of us down to his place for a get-together, and a few beers, etc. Several others chimed quite sincerely, I might add, that they'd love that idea. Now....with all of the "time" you've spent looking at all of the mean, nasty, bad, oh-so-rotten stuff (yes, there's been much of it) being slung around here like so much rotted dung....did you happen to catch THAT? Or were you just too busy refining that tunnel vision of yours? Or did you also miss the times when I (and others) would actually come out and say "I'm sorry", or "No offence intended", or "Hey! That's a cheap shot!"? Well? or do those not "count", because they wreck your pre-concieved observations?
WE all see what we WANT to see. THAT has nothing to do with the Internet; THAT...is Human Nature. And it appears to me (based on your comments) that you have fallen into that pool as well. Look, if you honestly sit there, believe that I BELIEVE I'M going change anyone's mind or train of thought around here about ANYTHING....then that is YOUR folly. And it doesen't matter what kind of flowery poetry I toss at them; all it's going to accomplish is giving others some mocking amusement, and making ME look like a phoney intellectual. That's it. That's all. So, instead...I'll do the next best thing: toss out a few ideas; share some opinions; engage in some wisecracks; fire off a few insults at those who I think deserve them, etc. But do I think I'm going to "change anyone's mind"? Oh please.
Do you know what I've condensed form YOUR comments? Simply this:
This is someone who's opened up a book (figuratively or literally), fired off a few smart-sounding thing quotes, dropped a few cluster bomb-insults, made a point of saying he's been around a long-long time, also made a point of saying he has contributed NOTHING until he has decided to come out and like a cheap, two-bit magician out of nowhere.....and say how we're all sooooo bad.
Know what?
I'm going to be ABSOLUTELY honest with you here:
In my own personal real life, I actually have aquite a long fuse. I am tolerant, patient (most times), I tend to think I'm a loving husband, love my kids, cherish my friends, love my hobby and am actually passive by nature. If you and I were sitting across form one another in whatever venue, and you came across that way, I could actually see myself becoming infuriated with you.....whereas I never even came close to feeling that way even with the worst knock-down, drag-outs I've been through, with my worst critics on this site. Those? I take for what they're worth: not a whole heck of a lot. YOU? You're different; you've actually taken a a clear line of thought/rationalizing to get to deliberately get to where you are now. And then, when you think the time is riight, you suddenly pop in out of nowhere, ignore one part, comment on another....and then have an unusually galling manner of patting yourself on the back for it.
Tell you what:
When YOU think YOU can come out onto the field, and make some kind of contribution (whatever it may be)....then please feel free to do so.
If you want to continue to do what you HAVE been doing, i.e. staying put on the sidelines.....then you can do that as well. Have at it. At some point, I may even JOIN you.
But if you opt for THAT scenario, then don't expect a blank cheque for a certain item:
Three years of reading Glumbert? "So far all I've ever seen here in these nifty comments has made me sick." And yet you have read on , and on, and on....
That is quite a big moral brush you paint us with. I'm to consider myself unclean by your definition? From what lofty perch do you cast your judgment upon us all?
If I had a simpler mind, I would wish that the world would work as I wanted, and not as it does. Everyone is on their own path through life, and carry with the culture, wit, and wisdom learned on the way.
The internet forum is a complex environment, with real people from all over the world who are virtually entering and leaving the room. Some visitors like you just look in the windows, until now I suppose. Why would you begin to engage us, unless you want to stop looking in, and join the party?
"The internet could be a proving ground for thoughts and ideas, a place where the entire world can communicate..."
It defiantly is, and this is what it looks like.
It would seem that you are surprised that those ideas would be expressed, and conversed in a manner apart from the way they have always have been. I have learned things from this site, and the people who write here. I accept those ideas from them with all their rough edges, as I hope they accept mine. I agree with some of what you have written, but not all of it.
If you are to live up to your sermon and enjoin the crowd, then please do so. But I think you are aware that human existence has been, is, and will continue to be a amalgam of humor, vulgarity, wit, hate, love, ect. I don't think you should worry about "that the Internets (and their tubules) record what you've written "
Dare I ask if the petite bourgeoisie have the courage to engage the proletariat?
- you are right it is and can be all the things you posted but I don't take any of this stuff seriously others do but I don't and if some get caught in the cross-fire I am sorry for that sometimes you forget that others a reading this and not just the person who I am responding to.
The only problem I have is that you took up half the page.
And someone else took up 3/4 of the page by asking only 1 question.
PS: podman I am 99% sure that jqpublick wasn't referring to you.
I pretty sure it was addressed to myself canuck and others WHICH ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH....
This forum gives you the right to an opinion.
We are still beginning to understand the mechanisms by which mental suggestion is translated into physiological reality,the evidence here is strong that there is some supervising intelligence within that presides over such changes. I tells the blood where to flow, directs the lymphocytes and phagocytes and gives whatever directions necessary to get the job done on this site.Everyone is built for survival we give and receive love messages. NOT HERE! The focus is to render the other participant stupid and I fore one enjoy all the tet a tet. So fuck off ,let us tear each others heads off that is what we enjoy doing. Your right to observe and comment is what gluberttown is all about, there are a lot of intelligent people here just having fun goading each other. If we weren't we would not be commenting on others statements, innocuous or other wise. I do not agree with you on being an asshole . Everyone given the opportunity will be an asshole if they can get away with it and by using this site they are guaranteed their anonymity.
I'll reply as best I can but I'm not sure about the way glumbert has the replies set up. I can't seem to reply to some posts, but I can reply to others. I'm not sure why. So I'm guessing that [ quote ] and [ /quote ] -without the spaces- will work. If not then I regret my ineptitude.
canuck1963 [quote] Does your argument/point-of-view encompass the concept of "blind judgementalism"?[/quote]
I quoted 'contempt prior to investigation.' I'd say that and blind judgementalism are the same things.
[quote]Are you being serious? No...really....are you? Does this mean when you go out to see a Robert De Niro movie, you sit ther and actually BELIEVE he's a "mobster" in real life, who kills people? Come on.[/quote]
So glumbertia is theatre, then. Because otherwise what you're suggesting is that I should have read, remembered and thought about every word you all have written. I haven't, mostly because I'm quickly sickened by the vitriol. Even when the debate is lively and stimulating, it quickly becomes something altogether more nasty.
Look. I get up on a Saturday morning, it's nice out, it's a good day, I'm enjoying myself and I watch an Alanis Morissette video, and then make a mistake. I forget that it's glumbert and not some other site I skim occassionally and I read some of the posts. I've left this site innumerable times not remembering the video but remembering the meanspiritedness of the conversations here. I was actually told about this site a few years ago by a friend, good vids and all like that. So I came and took a look, and saw something thoughtprovoking, I don't remember what. So I read the comments afterwards and was frankly a bit shocked at the raw hatred in the words, their meanings and, as far as I could tell, their intented effects. It happened often enough that I simply stopped reading them, well thought out or not. I've talked to a couple of other friends who have commented as well on this, they don't read the comments either. I don't read them on youtube, but that's because most of them are puerile. This place has the attitude that there is real debate or conversation going on, and to me that's worse.
[quote]A short while ago, one of our regulars here, Mitercut, openly said he'd love to have some of us down to his place for a get-together, and a few beers, etc. Several others chimed quite sincerely, I might add, that they'd love that idea. Now....with all of the "time" you've spent looking at all of the mean, nasty, bad, oh-so-rotten stuff (yes, there's been much of it) being slung around here like so much rotted dung....did you happen to catch THAT?[/quote]
No. I didn't. Once again, I haven't read every single comment.
[quote]And it doesen't matter what kind of flowery poetry I toss at them; [/quote]
This is, to me, the problem. You're an intelligent man. Did you reflect on what those words meant, or see where they came from and attack that? I quote because some things are already too well said for me to improve upon them. I've tried. I have taken the time to reflect on them, and to me those quotes are powerful phrases that ring true in many contexts. The fact that I have read them in many different contexts suggests that I'm not the only one that thinks they're powerful, and useful. I quote them publickly because I hope other people will hear them, and have those quotes improve their lives as they have mine. If you've seen 'The Matrix' there's a scene where Neo says 'there is no spoon' just before they do something else icredible with graphics. He'd heard, the words, been affected by them and taken them into himself, then quoted them aloud to remind both himself and Trinity of the essence of the quote. Not the words themselves neccessarily, but the essence of the statement.
I said some harsh things, but not one was an attack on a specific person. That's another part of the problem. We hear about some 'other side' make disparaging comments on 'our side' and we instantly go on the attack, or begin with the preplanned defence systems. Almost noone stops to think about whether there are good, legitimate reasons for how the 'other side' responds. And almost everyone takes a general statement as a personal insult. It may be hard to take, but what if it's true?
[quote]Do you know what I've condensed form YOUR comments? Simply this:
This is someone who's opened up a book (figuratively or literally), fired off a few smart-sounding thing quotes, dropped a few cluster bomb-insults, made a point of saying he's been around a long-long time, also made a point of saying he has contributed NOTHING until he has decided to come out and like a cheap, two-bit magician out of nowhere.....and say how we're all sooooo bad.[/quote]
I spoke to an overall point in my original post; that being that this isn't, as far as I can tell, debate or even decent conversation, this is meanspiritedness, most of which has nothing to do with the video these comments are supposed to be on. And after one post, you feel free to call me 'two-bit magician'. I said I'd been coming to the site for three or four years. I don't really know if that's a long time to you or not.
[quote] you've actually taken a a clear line of thought/rationalizing to get to deliberately get to where you are now. And then, when you think the time is riight, you suddenly pop in out of nowhere, ignore one part, comment on another....and then have an unusually galling manner of patting yourself on the back for it. [/quote]
Well, I did pursue a line of thought, but I'm not sure it was rationalisation. The clear line of thought is not so clear for me. I have thought about many things in my life, and wondered a great deal about the ethics of life and its situations, and those lines of thought have led me to where I am now. So I consider myself to be an ethical man. I'm sorry if my finally thowing my sense of reason to the wind and actually saying something about what disturbs me had a particularily bad timing, but I haven't been 'waiting for the right time'. I just got... frustrated.
podman
[quote]And yet you have read on , and on, and on....[/quote]
No, honestly I don't. I usually stop after a while. I've seen certain names often enough in the comments that I can think to myself, 'there are regulars here.' That's all.
[quote] That is quite a big moral brush you paint us with. I'm to consider myself unclean by your definition? From what lofty perch do you cast your judgment upon us all?[/quote]
Sometimes we have to be reminded of things. I know for sure that when I'm in a fight I kind of forget about civility.
[quote]Everyone is on their own path through life, and carry with the culture, wit, and wisdom learned on the way.[/quote]
I agree. I'm not sure what else to say.
[quote]The internet forum is a complex environment, with real people from all over the world who are virtually entering and leaving the room. Some visitors like you just look in the windows, until now I suppose. Why would you begin to engage us, unless you want to stop looking in, and join the party?[/quote]
To be honest, my idea of a good party has nothing to do with violence, be that in thought, word or deed. And the words and thoughts in most of the comments I've read are violent. I am aware that the world is a violent place, and that life is generally not all that great. Sometime I like to watch videos because they either help me think, or disturb me, or hopefully either make me laugh or smile. I come here because glumbert is more hit than miss. I don't like to read the posts because of the poverty of grace that I read here. [quote]Dare I ask if the petite bourgeoisie have the courage to engage the proletariat?[/quote]
I said what I said in my original post because I thought it needed to be said, not because I wanted to lord it over you folks. Intelligent people sometimes need a short, sharp shock too. What does anyone's particular demographic have to do with it? A human being is a human being and sometimes we all need to be reminded of things. canadaman [quote] This forum gives you the right to an opinion.[/quote]
Sorry, but nothing but my will gives me the right to an opinion. The rules of this forum give me a right to certain freedoms in speech.
[quote]We are still beginning to understand the mechanisms by which mental suggestion is translated into physiological reality,the evidence here is strong that there is some supervising intelligence within that presides over such changes. I tells the blood where to flow, directs the lymphocytes and phagocytes and gives whatever directions necessary to get the job done on this site.[/quote]
Interesting. I believe this to be more or less true but I don't have the evidence one way or the other. Does the evidence you are talking about here acually suggest that the supervising intelligence govens the body to the level of phagocytes? Because that is a very busy mind.[quote]The focus is to render the other participant stupid and I fore one enjoy all the tet a tet. So fuck off ,let us tear each others heads off that is what we enjoy doing. Your right to observe and comment is what gluberttown is all about, there are a lot of intelligent people here just having fun goading each other. If we weren't we would not be commenting on others statements, innocuous or other wise. I do not agree with you on being an asshole . Everyone given the opportunity will be an asshole if they can get away with it and by using this site they are guaranteed their anonymity.[/quote]
I don't find the meanness all that enjoyable myself. You are right in that everyone can be an asshole. I really really hope not everyone will be an asshole if they can get away with it. Because that says a lot about humanity. What pop psychology I've read seems to say that people will be bad if they can gain something with little or no harm to others, but good when they deem it right and proper to be so, depending of course on their own mixture of culture, personal beliefs etc. Anonymity is good in that one can freely speak in an atmosphere where there is pressure to do otherwise, but bad in that cowards can hide behind a screen. And I'm not attacking anyone personally with that comment, I'm just trying as best I can to be truthful.
canadaman [quote]As I posted welcome we need fresh meat and blood . .............LOL[/quote]
"I said what I said in my original post because I thought it needed to be said, not because I wanted to lord it over you folks. Intelligent people sometimes need a short, sharp shock too. What does anyone's particular demographic have to do with it? A human being is a human being and sometimes we all need to be reminded of things."
It has everything to do with it.
Perhaps empathy can be a better guide, than a wish for better things. One should not go through life believing that everyone has the same experience. In my opinion, you have proceeded from a basis of assumption that all writers could and would meet your measure of civility, but that they just don't want to.
I don't believe that is true.
What you see here is sometimes a skewed psychology of the individual writer, but it is them. Even with their aliases, it is still them. If you have difficulty reading vulgar and violent posts, then I wonder what kind of sheltered world you live in? I can see where one can be repelled from the reality of the human condition, but this place is nothing like the real world. Perhaps escapism is your thing, and that's fine.
At the end of the day, all we have is what we have learned form the path we are on. So here in Glumbert we see the untidy entanglement of a multitude of life's learning from those individual journeys. It is unfair that some have more education, or have had more time to gather a philosophy of life around them, and some have not. Some are old, some are young, some are male, some are female, some are wealthy, some are not, some are loved, and some are not.
If your complaint is that everyone is not operating on the same level, or even playing by the same rules that you would set, then that is valid. Everyone is playing the cards that they have, some you see, and some you don't.
It is unrealistic to believe that wanting is the same as having. Perhaps, Alanis Morissette may want to be a front linebacker for the Green Bay Packers, but it's not going to happen. Everyone can be more civil, but this place has a overarching reality that is raw and unbalanced. If you believe that you can write in this environment, and it entertains you, or someone else, then you may get some responses that you desire. And you will no doubt get some really ugly responses as well, and how you deal with those will be a test of your "proving ground for thoughts and ideas".
You have suddenly felt the urge to begin a dialog. You know why you started writing.
How strong is your belief in humanity and your ability to steer the ship of civility, and can you endure the attacks against your personal philosophies?
Thanks BB, I try my best. I am kinda aware that he is not referencing me in particular, but I bored, and I don't think that the majority of those who offend him are going to engage him in the discussion.
Well I seem to be embroiled now. I see the squared bracket thing didn't work. Take two.
podman;
"It has everything to do with it."
I can no more help where I come from and what my background is than can anyone else. We are who we are as the product of our histories. Judging someone because of their perceived history is, for me, contempt prior to investigation. If you meet the person you perceive and not the person that is, you've blinded yourself without giving them a chance, and limited your opportunities to learn or meet truly with that Other."Perhaps empathy can be a better guide, than a wish for better things. One should not go through life believing that everyone has the same experience."
I don't. My experiences are mine, and I don't expect that others will have had them. Meeting and talking to people different than me is how I learn to understand the Other. Empathy is an exhausting tool to use, because it requires so much of the person using it. If everybody used it, it would be the easiest thing in the world, unremarkable, but in reality those who do use it are laughed at and often reviled, or treated with scorn and called weak. Sympathy, which is often a cover for contempt, is usually shoved in where empathy belongs. I do wish for better things, and that may make me a fool, but the way I see it we reap what we sew, in all contexts.
"In my opinion, you have proceeded from a basis of assumption that all writers could and would meet your measure of civility, but that they just don't want to."
You know, you might be right. I'll have to think about that for a while. I agree with 'could', but I'm not sure about 'would'. I currently think that anybody can if they want to, but don't because to do so holds them up to a particularly sharp kind of scrutiny. It's easy to cast aspersions, hard to praise and much harder to critique without contempt or envy. To turn that particular kind of attention on oneself and see if one's own actions and words stand up to one's own beliefs is something most of us never do. Even statements made with the best of intentions are easily misconstrued on this forum, or sometimes purposefully misconstrued.
This video sifting site seems to me on the whole to be looking for good or humourous or thought-provoking videos. What amazed me about the diatribes against each other in the comments was just that. They were diatribes against each other, and didn't often speak to the topic the video was presenting. Almost always, in fact. Couple that with seriously hurtful turns of phrase and you end up with bitterness, and a lesson that seems to be more about 'watch your back' than anything else. If you're old enough to run a keyboard you've probably already learned that one. So does it really need to be reinforced?
"What you see here is sometimes a skewed psychology of the individual writer, but it is them. Even with their aliases, it is still them. If you have difficulty reading vulgar and violent posts, then I wonder what kind of sheltered world you live in?"
Uhm. Mine is not a sheltered world. Like you said, we all travel our own paths. But I hope you agree that violence fatigues the human spirit. That if you grow up with violence you take that as normal and respond to the world with violence. Violence breeds violence. Here in the conversation pits it's all violence, and it was just too much for me to take today. For better or worse, I spoke.
"I can see where one can be repelled from the reality of the human condition, but this place is nothing like the real world. Perhaps escapism is your thing, and that's fine."
I wish I could say that I haven't liked escaping, but I have. Books, movies, tv, etc. I'm an escapist, but I haven't been repelled by the human condition, I've been repelled by vitriol. The vitriol here, and in the words and attitudes used on this site in particular. You people are just pricks to each other, over and over and over. That is why I spoke up. The human condition has been slowly improving over our history, but it still leaves the mass of us starving. If that's escapism, then I guess I'm an escapist. I do my best to act as I speak, and pay attention to those times when I find myself speaking beyond how I act. So I acted, and spoke up in this forum. Perhaps hindsight will prove me to have spoken beyond my ability to act. Again.
"It is unrealistic to believe that wanting is the same as having."
A friend of mine used to say 'You can't get an 'ought' from an 'is'." It ought to be this way, so therefore it is this way. That kind of thing. It's foolishness, and we've all seen/read about/directly experienced the political end of this kind of thinking. The path to the 'ought' is quickly suborned by common human greed and intolerance.
"How strong is your belief in humanity and your ability to steer the ship of civility, and can you endure the attacks against your personal philosophies?"
Humanity is far stronger than my petty beliefs. Perhaps robust would be a better word. I'm not steering anything but me, and I can barely do that. I have, as you say, endured attacks against my purposefully exposed personal philosophies in many contexts, and one of the main reasons I've never posted here before is because I wasn't expecting anything more than what I've already commented on; people here are particularly vicious, they belittle each other, devolve quickly into other topics sometimes wildly tangential to either the video or the initial discussion of that video, then move on, razors strapped to their legs.
"Is it going to happen without you?"
I don't know. Having read what I've posted, are you going to change? If you do, it's not because of what I said, but of what and how you thought about what I wrote. Communication in the deepest sense of the word (for me at least) is not so much about talking or proving your point as thinking about what the other person has said and seeing what your thoughts lead you to, then responding. I don't mean simply exchanging ideas, I mean thinking, mulling over the meaning of the person's words and intent. Even with silly or clever vids there's room for conversation.
I've come across as a bit of a dick here and for that I apologise. But in retrospect if I'd said, "C'mon, can't we all just be pals and get along? You're ruining my day with your words," people would have snickered -rightfully or not- and moved on. And there would be no conversation.
OK, I have a little more information on you're expectations now. All forums, with the exception of Academic forums, will be this way. If you are going to continue to post your comments you will be attacked, confronted, praised, and ignored.
"I'm not steering anything but me, and I can barely do that."
That is disingenuous. Maybe you wish this were true, but we know, that your course through life will leave its mark on others. If you really believed that you had no purpose in writing then you would not. You are writing in the hope of expressing some of your beliefs in the hope that either you, the respondent, or both will get something from it.
Violence may fatigue the spirit. Yes I suppose it does, but it also tests your beliefs. If you understand the root of violence, then you may come to understand its motivation. There is nothing so civil as Chess, or as intellectually violent.
"It's easy to cast aspersions, hard to praise and much harder to critique without contempt or envy. To turn that particular kind of attention on oneself and see if one's own actions and words stand up to one's own beliefs is something most of us never do. Even statements made with the best of intentions are easily misconstrued on this forum, or sometimes purposefully misconstrued."
It would seem that you have skipped over the best parts of Glumbert. Many who comment here write with the courage of conviction from their personal philosophy and do it in a very straight forward manner. Many of us here have the courage to post what we believe, with little regard as to the reaction.
"Empathy is an exhausting tool to use, because it requires so much of the person using it. If everybody used it, it would be the easiest thing in the world, unremarkable, but in reality those who do use it are laughed at and often reviled, or treated with scorn and called weak."
I am in complete disagreement with you here. It takes some practice, but after some time, it is second nature. I think you should really take some time and read what you have written here. In my opinion, and maybe after some deep thought on this point, you will find something surprising. I sense religious training in your background, and such training can create so many mental roadblocks, that the simple will appear as complex, and the complex as simple.
Too make a very long story short, my basic point is thus:
I think you were a little too quick off the mark in your judgemental decision. By your own admission, you haven't read, or have missed, some of the other posts which DO reflect the inherent decency/intelligence of a lot of the folks hereabouts. Unfortunately, it was the vicious mudslinging that drowned it out for you. And if truth be told, I can understand this. Totally. I just took umbrage at the sweeping generalization, is all.
We ain't ALL dummies, y'know.
beyond that, I run the risk going on ad nauseum again and repeating myself, so I'll avoid this. In the meantime.....peace out.
Canuck what happened ?Did you get a medal for being a wimp or did the award make you one?
Where is my buddy that cascades this site with witisisms, or are you respecting the Glumbertown s new pastor . Its sunday.
jq.The incredibly funny part is I agree with the Glumbertown copying fool chucknorriss.YOU ARE BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!
You better sharpen your knife if you expect to leave Glumbettown intact.
Or maybe you could become the Glumbertown minister.
Yes I think we will call you "the pastorjq'............... LOL
B?B in my real life I could be a tadpole, here I am what I am .I enjoy the vitriol, the vivisect of this site we call glumbert town, and you are just another piece of meat.
Again I have to agree with the copying fool chuckie....GEES
Canucky I found a exquisite 1952 Arnold black with red leather and wire wheels only 20 were made, the other a 1962 austin mini woody wagon looks like new. I'll see if they will take my offers.
B?B i agree you are a big piece of meat or meat head etc .....LOL
Morissette was shit when she was popular. She's still shit now she isn't popular. She isn't funny, and her ass in the thong is nothing to write home about. So why does a smug little tart like her get on Glumbert?
Unleeeeeaaaaasshhhhhh the muuuuudslide!
I wrote those long-winded screeds as a satire of schoolmarmish, hippie fascism. The Tyranny of Nice. Purge the globe of nastiness sarcasm, and vitriol and the human race will be cleansed!
I thought the "make the world a better place" bit would be a dead giveaway. The Eliot non-sequitur citation as well.
I was sadly mistaken.
All Apologies, Lord Stutz Seventh Earl of Blogshire
In this carnival mixture of fantasy and reality, ids easily gain the upper hand over superegos. One speaks through a machine through the apparent safety of home to interlocutors virtually real but in practice as imaginary as aliens in a Nintendo game. The insult, let fly, seems virtual in the sense of "real" when one dwells on the satisfaction of venting anger, virtual in the sense of "not actual" when it comes to reaping consequences. But the hurt suffered by the person it lands on can be painfully real, and the anger thus aroused uncontainable.
-"A Short History of Rudeness", Caldwell, Mark; Picador, 1999
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